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These kids don't have access to the same information as you and I though. They've been sent in there after being told that they're rescuing these innocent Ukrainian people from a neo-Nazi government. And their worldview is probably fucked up by all of the propaganda they've been fed throughout their lives. There have also been plenty of reports of Russian soldiers who have deserted or surrendered easily once they realised the reality is not what they've been told. These guys are doing exactly what you suggest.

Only if you consider every single Russian soldier personally responsible for every military action resulting in civilian casualties. Personally, I find it pretty easy to sympathise with young kids who get thrown into a war not of their choosing and who just want to be home with their family, but are instead forced to kill and die for no reason at all.

This paralympics decision to not allow Russian athletes to compete because "athletes from other countries could refuse to compete against Russians" seems wrong to me. I understand kicking Russia's clubs and national teams out of international competitions because it's going to bring money to Russia, but these athletes, who were going to compete as neutrals, not having the Russian flag or colours, not bringing any money to Russia, aren't the ones attacking Ukraine right now. Should we be on the side of people who judge athletes for the actions of a dictator?

The funny thing for me is following this conversation through you quoting him. Hes literally the only person ive ever had to block on a forum, quality of life improvement etc. I quickly realized probably a year ago nothing he says is worth reading or responding too. Anyways sorry I just kind of enjoyed this read along

I as talking about shell companies once ages ago and @LFCMadLad thought I was talking about Shell petrol stations I can’t believe I remember that but it was so funny, sorry mate!

I'm sad I slept through the Shut up party. "Man up and do the time instead of going to war" Yeah, you know all about the hard choices the Russian people have to make from your couch deciding if you're gonna go to work today or sit at home, play COD and jerk off don't you? What a weapon. And of course a Lithuanian is going to have some fucking issues with the soviets. Again, an oppression he knows nothing about. At least the Nazis might have fucking fed eastern Europe had they gained control for 50 years.

Hear Ye, Hear Ye, gunnersawus, up yours...

I agree with this. Other countries in other sports have gotten banned for refusing to play athletes of other countries for political reasons. Banning Russian athletes in international competitions seems weird to me - it's not like the Olympics where they've been caught having a state sponsored doping program (and still allowed to compete, not under Russia's flag... but as Russian athletes). Simply banning all Russians for competing over political reasons is something we're not meant to see in sport. It's wrong when Iran (for example) refuses to compete against Israeli athletes over politics - and that's why they've received bans for doing that in the past, I think most recently a 5 year ban from competing in international judo tournaments because of a refusal to compete against Israel. And that's also sort of unfair as Iranian athletes don't really have a choice what their dictatorship government says if they get matched against Israeli athletes... and why so many Iranian athletes defect when they get a chance. And it's not like the US ever received a ban after the Iraq invasion... and they have a democracy so you can even make the argument that US athletes are infinitely more culpable for their country's war crimes. Honestly, the collective economic punishment for Russia really doesn't sit well with me because I know the likely result of heavy sanctions is regular Russians will suffer while the elite will loot what's left of a crumbling economy. I can understand sanctioning football clubs that have ties to the Russian state... but the collective punishment of all Russian athletes for the invasion seems a little uncalled for.

Tbh if your brain can’t compute that the actions of Russia in Ukraine today aren’t directly influenced by the ramifications of the events in 1940’s then well I’d make like your username and back out the thread because you’re embarrassing yourself. The lunacy of this comment

Kel but that was handled really quickly each time she’d show up telling us about how the Nazis were just misunderstood like the animals we eat.

They were drafted before the war though, and according to Russian law, conscripts can't be sent to active war zones, so they couldn't foresee it. If they went AWOL after conscription, then they would be facing by far more serious charges under Article 337 of the Russian criminal code (going absent without leave) which carries a sentence of up to 5 years imprisonment and Article 338 (desertion) up to 10 years. It's very easy to make appeals to morality when it's not your life on the line.

Lmao

You're thinking of the wrong Pravda The original Russian Pravda is indeed owned by the Communist Party in Russia. The website you linked to is Ukrayinska Pravda though, which has nothing to do with the Russian publication. Quite on the contrary - the Ukrainian Pravda is known for it's criticial and investigative journalism as well as promotion of democracy and freedom of the press. It's original founder was murdered by Ukrainian security service after exposing high-level corruption in the government.

English football has been a cancer on Europe since 1991.

Made a topic about it a while ago but just finished Save Me Too and it is genuinely one of the best pieces of television ever made imo. Obviously it’s much shorter than the American 10-15+ episode series, think it’s either 6 or 8. But the writing, acting and general story is phenomenal. Was pleasantly surprised.

Any pics?

hi stan gunnersawus is spreading lies about cannabis can you stop this please really not a good look for the forum thanks a lot from anonymous

How dare you call him a twat!!, he was a lovely guy and I miss him to bits.

I too pay my idiot tax from time to time

Are the seizures without court orders? I assumed the court orders would be resulting from the sanctions? I agree with you, they shouldn’t be seizing assets without court orders, and I’d assume with sanctions list those court orders would be easy to get. But if they’re doing it without court orders that just seems too wrong.

Yeah should have clarified, any regular poster. Not that absolute melon

I don't do the lottery, I have an occasional gamble on football bets and that's me. But about three and a half years ago, definitely before the first ever lockdown, we went out to a Chinese buffet for my birthday. At the end, i opened up one of those fortune cookie things where it gives you a quote and some lucky numbers. For a laugh, i signed up to do the Lottery online and bought a ticket for £2 with those numbers. 3 of them came in so that was £30. Best Chinese ever.

Just me or does anyone else never recall any neo-Nazism from any German (or any nationality?!) poster on here? Happy to be proved wrong but I think at least one of us would be able to recall it. Don't think any of us are messed up enough to just ignore it. Bang out of order to throw around such an accusation without any proof or substance.

To put it politely, throwing about the nazi term as if it's something that you'd say to your mates down the pub is a little fucked up. Especially when you consider what the term it is and what those under its umbrella stood for. Being on this forum for years it's been obvious that your posting habits have wavered from being occasionally decent to downright bat shit crazy, either in an attempt to attract some attention or just simply because your world views have become totally warped. Regardless of the reason for your wild opinions, attacking someone like nudge who is a valued member of the community, helped to grow this place and put in work behind the scenes so that you quite literally have a platform to wave your dick around on is both completely out of order and makes you look like an uneducated, insecure fool. It goes without saying that you should apologise and realise the idiot that you portray yourself as, because if your behaviour on this forum leaks into your own life, it won't be a few words on an internet forum that'll be attacking you.

Some people are just incapable of being able to understand that things aren’t black and white. He clearly just thinks Nazis = bad, red army fought Nazis, therefor red army = good. Tbf I don’t understand that position because it requires ignoring the history of Europe after the Second World War… but hey, not my fault the education system fails people.

Disagreeing with the statement that the Red Army was "a force of good" is just a tiiiiiiny bit different than questioning "if the Nazis being defeated by the Soviets was a good thing". But whatever helps you sleep better at night

Pro Nazi takes you're well and truly mental.

Okay but like @RondónEFC says…. these are kids who are being lied too. It is the career military men, the high up officers, that I think deserve the condemnation. Not kids being sent to die for a dictator. This isn’t like the US or UK we’re talking about where people sign up to go kill people in far off lands we’ve invaded for the sake of economic imperialism. Most of these troops are conscripts that are lied to about the reason they went there.

Easier said than done, especially in a country like Russia.

Concerning behaviour and some of the comments in this thread too. Just stop and think, does Boris Johnson represent you as the leader of Great Britain? Do you agree with everything he says or does? Would you want people from other countries to think that your opinion is his opinion? And if he declared an invasion of Ireland or something and commanded the British military to start bombing and shooting the shit out of Irish people until they agreed to be a vassal state of Great Britain, would that justify other people abusing you just because you're British, even if his actions made you absolutely sick to your stomach? I've argued with DDW in this thread but he's absolutely right about the Russian army. Some of them may be willing soldiers that share Putin's worldview and his view on Ukraine. Even from this lot, most of them have probably arrived there because they've been lied to and fed state-sponsored propaganda for much of their lives. I'm sure there are some psychopaths among them that are revelling in the power at their fingertips, bombing residential blocks and train stations full of civilians. These are still the actions of individuals, which is what we should be judging, rather than an entire nation. People are upset and scared and angry at the Russian government and leader for what we're witnessing. It doesn't make it alright to tar all Russians with the same brush any more than it's ever alright to hold prejudice against other groups based on religion, race, nationality, gender, sexuality, etc., because that's what people who are picking on anything they see with a Russian flag on it are doing at the end of the day. Direct your anger and hatred toward those who are truly responsible, Vladimir Putin and his direct cronies.

They still do own the actual paper: https://gazeta-pravda.ru/ Журналистская организация АНО «Редакция газеты «Правда», Коммунистическая партия Российской Федерации.

He was the fella who's profile pick was a picture of him with a drink. On the old site. It was a fucking roar.

Watch this, yes I get Ukraine is a sovereign nation but the reality is big countries bully little countries in the west and the east, this is more about the conflicts to come. Watch this it does a great job of explaining the military thinking behind Moscow’s play here. I’m not saying Russia are justified, I’m saying this is why it’s happening he’s not some unhinged loon, this is very much a global arms chess match.

tired of the "buy trophies", ruining football rhetoric often pushed by fans of teams that have held iron grip of their league's to secure European money and financial dominance over the league. let's not kid ourselves to think that mostly all of the European football money derives from China, Russia and the UAE. the Athletic covered that in 2020 it appears more like the "top6" is threatened when someone may come to usurp them. the Chelsea sale is a big body blow to the Premiership, when you considered how terrible the handling and unfairness of the process was during the Newcastle take over, this one is going to sting a little. to find owners as rich as abramovich is going to be nearly impossible.

I can't remember which Liverpool fan it was, but one was absolutely INSISTENT Dinosaurs never existed. When confronted about it years later, he said it was a wind up, but there's no way it was.

I'm just waiting patiently for some shell company venture capitalist group to make the purchase, only for leaked documents in 20 years time to reveal that the shell corp was owned by the City group, and that's why City and Chelsea have alternated titles for the next 20 years with Guardiola moving back and forth

The calls for any NATO country to enforce a no-fly zone are insane. The implication of taking on Russian aircraft and AA in the area to establish a no-fly zone means another world war, there's no way of avoiding that. And in 2022 that likely means nuclear weapons flying all around the world. I feel for this woman and every Ukrainian that's impacted by this war (so likely, every Ukrainian), but we don't need to test out the theory of mutually assured destruction at any point in our history. Although a part of me finds it amusing that the US and UK were very quick to invade Iraq on the pretext that Iraq had WMDs... but they absolutely won't risk openly getting into conflict with Russia because we all know Russia has WMDs.

The more this goes on and the more I read about it, the more I believe in the theory that Putin has thrown rational thought out of the window and just pursued what his ego and 'Mother Russia' worldview demands. We talk about him as if he's some invincible mastermind, but he's only a man. It's hard to see how the decision to pursue this war is supposed to actually help him. All he's achieved is isolation internationally and a loss of many the benefits that keep his oligarchs happy, with no evidence of it boosting his domestic support. Instead the Russian people now face the consequences of economic hardship, lifestyle benefits like Western social media and sport, not to mention the much less trivial loss of thousands of lives already. All he gets out of this invasion is scratching the itch he's always had about Ukraine. Don't see how this ends well for him in any way. If it does spell the eventual end for him, Russia can choose between a new leader who is willing to disown Putin and rebuild bridges with Europe, or continuing down the path of total isolation that Putin has set them off on, and hope that China are willing to make themselves an ally to help ensure that the economic hardships are at least only temporary.

It's also worth mentioning that they'll have been told like the rest of the public that they're liberating the oppressed Ukrainian people from their neo-Nazi government. You could just point stuff like this out calmly and politely like nudge managed to do instead of insulting everyone who doesn't know quite as much stuff as you. Admittedly, it depends whether your ambition is actually to help others understand the things you seem to think they should understand, or whether it's to carry on being all edgy and superior about the whole thing...

In this as well, Putin's actions are a total contradiction. Years of trying to intimidate these direct neighbours into staying out of these organisations, then saying thanks but I'm going to go and fuck Ukraine up anyway. Why wouldn't you apply to join at this point if you're Georgia, Ukraine, etc? Putin's invasion of Ukraine has provided them with Exhibit A of why they need to join with the rest of Europe, after spending years using all of the intimidation, manipulation, politics, dark money, etc. at his disposal to discourage it.

So in the aftermath of this invasion, Finland and Sweden want to join NATO & Ukraine and Georgia have submitted applications to join the EU

It could have happened to any club, but Manchester United's success in the burgeoning years of the Premier League coupled with their marketing of Beckham and the club itself is the worse thing that ever happened to world football. New Corps' worldwide reach, the TV money, Manchester United being the first world famous club, set the path for England's top league to not be 'English' but a 'world league'. Importing players from Europe and South America became the norm, instead of Ireland and Scotland, transfer fees had nearly quadrupled since the 80s, and English teams breaking their own spending records en mass, sixteen years on from the first million pound player the record was sitting at over seven million pounds. Foreign ownership is a symptom of the globalisation of the English football, not the cause, it's easy to forget that Manchester United has smashed the transfer record two years in a row buying two players just shy of the thirty million pound mark in 2001 and 2002, Chelsea broke it with Shevchenko in 2006 by 1.7 million more pounds. The precedent of spending had been set in earlier years, Blackburn Rovers, Alan Shearer, Dennis Bergkamp, Stan Collymore, and many others. The foreign ownership and aggression shown by Chelsea in the mid 00s merely exasperated what was already a festering wound. The results weren't just changing English football but European as well, going over to Spain Fiorentino Perez took the Premier League's modus operandi and applied marketable and expensive players to Real Madrid, resulting the two Galacticos generations marked by four astonishing transfers of English talent to Spain, Beckham, Owen, Ronaldo, and Bale. Six of the world's ten most valuable clubs play in the England, and further three more in the top twenty. Everton is more valuable than AC Milan, Tottenham is more valuable than Juventus. 9 out of the 16 world transfer records since 1991 were set by English clubs, and only one each by Chelsea and Man City respectively. Without Sky and the Premier League there would be no Abramovic, Saudis, and Emiratis, no United smashing the English transfer record four times in the league's first decade, less importing of foreign players, and maybe the only moneybags you'd be looking for is Jack Walker at Blackburn. It is very easy to blame foreign investment, in fact I'd say you are right if you do, but not Abramovic, not the Sheiks, Thais, and Saudis, it's some cunt born in Melbourne, Australia that gave up his citizenship to be American in the 80s you want to blame. Jointly with Greg Dyke and the representatives of Arsenal, Everton, Manchester United, Liverpool, and Tottenham that agreed to the breakaway league. To make a deal that throttle's every other club in England and Wales so they can take the Lion's Share of the TV money.

God I have all the time in the world to listen to Bernie speak. This clip is just so on the nose. If you get time listen to all 3 clips for the full interview.

Of all the people to suggest he's turned the corner and become a bad ass I don't think Evil Uno is it

Started playing Elden Ring today. Gorgeous worlds is all I have to say. And of course since its a FromSoftware game you die a lot.