Beelzebub 2,508 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 So it's not just the grocery stores 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,622 Posted March 15, 2020 Moderator Share Posted March 15, 2020 Germany will close it's borders to Austria, Switzerland and France tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpache 672 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Quote Coronavirus outbreak: Doug Ford tells families to ‘have fun’ and ‘go away’ during March Break I swear if this man ever becomes prime minister I will for the first time be annoyed at a Canadian election result. Every English speaking country seems to have their own Trump these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpache 672 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Watching the All England Open Badminton. Sounds like a packed stadium. What are they thinking? What will it take for the UK to close everything? Queen Elizabeth getting it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,391 Posted March 15, 2020 Administrator Share Posted March 15, 2020 Ezequiel Garay has it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpache 672 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Vizcarra will deliver a message to the country today. Rumour is the whole country will be on lock down. The good is that this was much needed. Many people still going out. The bad is that I'm gonna be stuck here. Thankfully I'm in the country of my birth, but it's still gonna be annoying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Eco 3,008 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Just got a text asking if I had heard the news from Italy that they quit treating the elderly because they couldn't keep up with the death toll. Sounds like Grade A fake news, and I can't find anything about it online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub 2,508 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 368 deaths today in Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ 15,328 Posted March 15, 2020 Author Subscriber Share Posted March 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Eco said: Just got a text asking if I had heard the news from Italy that they quit treating the elderly because they couldn't keep up with the death toll. Sounds like Grade A fake news, and I can't find anything about it online. "Quit treating the elderly" is misleading but in general there's triaging and rationing care (happens in wars all the time too) and there have been quite a few similar reports coming from Italian doctors/nurses/politicians in the media; Italian authorities also published guidelines for the criteria that doctors and nurses should follow if the circumstances worsen suggesting that older patients would not be considered for intubation and ventilation in order to allow capacity to treat younger patients. It also isn't surprising - what are you supposed to do if you simply don't have beds in ICU and the medical equipment anymore? It's happening in hospitals that are affected the most. Plenty of reports online... https://www.businessinsider.de/international/italys-doctors-are-forced-to-prioritize-saving-the-young-2020-3/?r=US&IR=T https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-hospitals-doctor-lockdown-quarantine-intensive-care-a9401186.html https://www.ft.com/content/34f25036-62f4-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html Some numbers and data: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763188 Also read this twitter thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237142891077697538.html A while ago I posted a harrowing testimony of an Italian doctor posted on his social media account which was then printed by numerous newspapers; a long and hard read. It's scary as people are dying preventable deaths because the health care system is overwhelmed. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,391 Posted March 15, 2020 Administrator Share Posted March 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, nudge said: It's scary as people are dying preventable deaths because the health care system is overwhelmed. I think it goes some way to explaining why we don't want a lock down over here so soon when NHS is overstretched anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpache 672 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 71 cases in Peru now. Vizcarra needs to confirm the lock down today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,192 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 21 minutes ago, Azeem said: 368 deaths today in Italy Fucking hell that makes their mortality rate around 7.5%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael 1,117 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 The total death count from Coronavirus in Italy is now 1,809 deaths! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf 7,161 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I don't suppose anyone has the stats on what age ranges are being affected most?? We know the elderly are most at risk and I did read somewhere that children are less likely to suffer from it apparently... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpache 672 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Just now, Bluewolf said: I don't suppose anyone has the stats on what age ranges are being affected most?? We know the elderly are most at risk and I did read somewhere that children are less likely to suffer from it apparently... Why I think the overall mortality rate is inflated. You really need to take into account who is being affected. Reading a mortality rate of 7.5% makes you immediately become scared but you need to see who it is affecting the most. Well aware it can (and has) kill anyone but the elderly are most at risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnisExcubitor 678 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 I am not a medical expert, so who's to say whether UK's method is not wrong in the long run. But to hear the officials speak so calmly about 'wanting' 60% of the population getting infected to develop herd immunity at the cost of several deaths is so chilling. I suppose, people supportive of that plan could argue that they might see similar results or worse with other strategies, as well. Anyways, I am speaking of this video in particular. The person whose tweet I am putting out is a scientist who is working in the field of Malaria and Tuberculosis and he knows his medical stuff, and he doesn't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,391 Posted March 15, 2020 Administrator Share Posted March 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, Inti Brian said: Why I think the overall mortality rate is inflated. What do you mean inflated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ 15,328 Posted March 15, 2020 Author Subscriber Share Posted March 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bluewolf said: I don't suppose anyone has the stats on what age ranges are being affected most?? We know the elderly are most at risk and I did read somewhere that children are less likely to suffer from it apparently... In China, the majority was between 30 and 69 years old (almost 78% of all confirmed cases). Here's the more detailed distribution: In South Korea, it is mostly people in their 20s, 50s and 40s. In Italy it's mostly people over 50, although there's a significant percentage of younger ones too. I think the takeaway here is that pretty much all age groups are affected except children who doesn't seem to be very susceptible to it and are often asymptomatic. The differences between countries are probably the result of under which conditions the local outbreak originated. E.g. in South Korea the main cluster was that crazy religious cult; I think that's why they seem to have more younger people affected than the elderly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Gold 599 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 31 minutes ago, Stan said: I think it goes some way to explaining why we don't want a lock down over here so soon when NHS is overstretched anyway. You'd think that'd make them more conscious rather than less, surely? 29 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Fucking hell that makes their mortality rate around 7.5%. Last I heard, they reckon about 10% of cases require ICU admission. The death rate will tend towards that figure as healthcare systems get overloaded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots 607 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 37 minutes ago, Stan said: I think it goes some way to explaining why we don't want a lock down over here so soon when NHS is overstretched anyway. I’d imagine army will be drafted to set up emergency field hospitals etc. 48 minutes ago, nudge said: "Quit treating the elderly" is misleading but in general there's triaging and rationing care (happens in wars all the time too) and there have been quite a few similar reports coming from Italian doctors/nurses/politicians in the media; Italian authorities also published guidelines for the criteria that doctors and nurses should follow if the circumstances worsen suggesting that older patients would not be considered for intubation and ventilation in order to allow capacity to treat younger patients. It also isn't surprising - what are you supposed to do if you simply don't have beds in ICU and the medical equipment anymore? It's happening in hospitals that are affected the most. Plenty of reports online... https://www.businessinsider.de/international/italys-doctors-are-forced-to-prioritize-saving-the-young-2020-3/?r=US&IR=T https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-hospitals-doctor-lockdown-quarantine-intensive-care-a9401186.html https://www.ft.com/content/34f25036-62f4-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html Some numbers and data: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763188 Also read this twitter thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237142891077697538.html A while ago I posted a harrowing testimony of an Italian doctor posted on his social media account which was then printed by numerous newspapers; a long and hard read. It's scary as people are dying preventable deaths because the health care system is overwhelmed. Top work in this thread, do you do some kind of medical job a living? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots 607 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, nudge said: In China, the majority was between 30 and 69 years old (almost 78% of all confirmed cases). Here's the more detailed distribution: In South Korea, it is mostly people in their 20s, 50s and 40s. In Italy it's mostly people over 50, although there's a significant percentage of younger ones too. I think the takeaway here is that pretty much all age groups are affected except children who doesn't seem to be very susceptible to it and are often asymptomatic. The differences between countries are probably the result of under which conditions the local outbreak originated. E.g. in South Korea the main cluster was that crazy religious cult; I think that's why they seem to have more younger people affected than the elderly. Sorry is this icu admission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,391 Posted March 15, 2020 Administrator Share Posted March 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Burning Gold said: You'd think that'd make them more conscious rather than less, surely? Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ 15,328 Posted March 15, 2020 Author Subscriber Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said: Top work in this thread, do you do some kind of medical job a living? Cheers The company I work for specialises in medical consulting, but I just work with data and don't have any formal medical education (with the exception of some public health and neurophysiology modules). 7 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said: Sorry is this icu admission? No - just age distribution in all confirmed cases! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairy In Boots 607 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, nudge said: Cheers The company I work for specialises in medical consulting, but I just work with data and don't have any formal medical education (with the exception of some public health and neurophysiology modules). No - just age distribution in all confirmed cases! Ok thanks for clarifying and top job you’re better at making it more understandable than official governments 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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