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Coronavirus outbreak: Doug Ford tells families to ‘have fun’ and ‘go away’ during March Break

I swear if this man ever becomes prime minister I will for the first time be annoyed at a Canadian election result.

Every English speaking country seems to have their own Trump these days.

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Watching the All England Open Badminton. Sounds like a packed stadium. What are they thinking?

What will it take for the UK to close everything? Queen Elizabeth getting it?

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Vizcarra will deliver a message to the country today. Rumour is the whole country will be on lock down.

The good is that this was much needed. Many people still going out. The bad is that I'm gonna be stuck here. Thankfully I'm in the country of my birth, but it's still gonna be annoying.

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Just got a text asking if I had heard the news from Italy that they quit treating the elderly because they couldn't keep up with the death toll. 

Sounds like Grade A fake news, and I can't find anything about it online. 

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7 minutes ago, Eco said:

Just got a text asking if I had heard the news from Italy that they quit treating the elderly because they couldn't keep up with the death toll. 

Sounds like Grade A fake news, and I can't find anything about it online. 

"Quit treating the elderly" is misleading but in general there's triaging and rationing care (happens in wars all the time too) and there have been quite a few similar reports coming from Italian doctors/nurses/politicians in the media; Italian authorities also published guidelines for the criteria that doctors and nurses should follow if the circumstances worsen suggesting that older patients would not be considered for intubation and ventilation in order to allow capacity to treat younger patients. It also isn't surprising - what are you supposed to do if you simply don't have beds in ICU and the medical equipment anymore? It's happening in hospitals that are affected the most.

Plenty of reports online...

https://www.businessinsider.de/international/italys-doctors-are-forced-to-prioritize-saving-the-young-2020-3/?r=US&IR=T

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-hospitals-doctor-lockdown-quarantine-intensive-care-a9401186.html

https://www.ft.com/content/34f25036-62f4-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

 

Some numbers and data: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763188

 

Also read this twitter thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237142891077697538.html

 

A while ago I posted a harrowing testimony of an Italian doctor posted on his social media account which was then printed by numerous newspapers; a long and hard read.

It's scary as people are dying preventable deaths because the health care system is overwhelmed.

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10 minutes ago, nudge said:

It's scary as people are dying preventable deaths because the health care system is overwhelmed.

I think it goes some way to explaining why we don't want a lock down over here so soon when NHS is overstretched anyway. 

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I don't suppose anyone has the stats on what age ranges are being affected most??  We know the elderly are most at risk and I did read somewhere that children are less likely to suffer from it apparently... 

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I don't suppose anyone has the stats on what age ranges are being affected most??  We know the elderly are most at risk and I did read somewhere that children are less likely to suffer from it apparently... 

Why I think the overall mortality rate is inflated. You really need to take into account who is being affected. Reading a mortality rate of 7.5% makes you immediately become scared but you need to see who it is affecting the most.

Well aware it can (and has) kill anyone but the elderly are most at risk.

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I am not a medical expert, so who's to say whether UK's method is not wrong in the long run. But to hear the officials speak so calmly about 'wanting' 60% of the population getting infected to develop herd immunity at the cost of several deaths is so chilling.

I suppose, people supportive of that plan could argue that they might see similar results or worse with other strategies, as well.

Anyways, I am speaking of this video in particular.

The person whose tweet I am putting out is a scientist who is working in the field of Malaria and Tuberculosis and he knows his medical stuff, and he doesn't like it.

 

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15 minutes ago, Inti Brian said:

 Why I think the overall mortality rate is inflated.

What do you mean inflated? 

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6 minutes ago, Bluewolf said:

I don't suppose anyone has the stats on what age ranges are being affected most??  We know the elderly are most at risk and I did read somewhere that children are less likely to suffer from it apparently... 

In China, the majority was between 30 and 69 years old (almost 78% of all confirmed cases). Here's the more detailed distribution:

Uynt9YC.png

In South Korea, it is mostly people in their 20s, 50s and 40s.

WJQsv1m.png

In Italy it's mostly people over 50, although there's a significant percentage of younger ones too.

8hbojid.png

 

I think the takeaway here is that pretty much all age groups are affected except children who doesn't seem to be very susceptible to it and are often asymptomatic. The differences between countries are probably the result of under which conditions the local outbreak originated. E.g. in South Korea the main cluster was that crazy religious cult; I think that's why they seem to have more younger people affected than the elderly. 

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31 minutes ago, Stan said:

I think it goes some way to explaining why we don't want a lock down over here so soon when NHS is overstretched anyway. 

You'd think that'd make them more conscious rather than less, surely?

29 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Fucking hell that makes their mortality rate around 7.5%.

Last I heard, they reckon about 10% of cases require ICU admission. The death rate will tend towards that figure as healthcare systems get overloaded

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37 minutes ago, Stan said:

I think it goes some way to explaining why we don't want a lock down over here so soon when NHS is overstretched anyway. 

I’d imagine army will be drafted to set up emergency field hospitals etc. 

48 minutes ago, nudge said:

"Quit treating the elderly" is misleading but in general there's triaging and rationing care (happens in wars all the time too) and there have been quite a few similar reports coming from Italian doctors/nurses/politicians in the media; Italian authorities also published guidelines for the criteria that doctors and nurses should follow if the circumstances worsen suggesting that older patients would not be considered for intubation and ventilation in order to allow capacity to treat younger patients. It also isn't surprising - what are you supposed to do if you simply don't have beds in ICU and the medical equipment anymore? It's happening in hospitals that are affected the most.

Plenty of reports online...

https://www.businessinsider.de/international/italys-doctors-are-forced-to-prioritize-saving-the-young-2020-3/?r=US&IR=T

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/who-gets-hospital-bed/607807/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-italy-hospitals-doctor-lockdown-quarantine-intensive-care-a9401186.html

https://www.ft.com/content/34f25036-62f4-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/world/europe/12italy-coronavirus-health-care.html

 

Some numbers and data: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763188

 

Also read this twitter thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1237142891077697538.html

 

A while ago I posted a harrowing testimony of an Italian doctor posted on his social media account which was then printed by numerous newspapers; a long and hard read.

It's scary as people are dying preventable deaths because the health care system is overwhelmed.

Top work in this thread, do you do some kind of medical job a living? 

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2 minutes ago, nudge said:

In China, the majority was between 30 and 69 years old (almost 78% of all confirmed cases). Here's the more detailed distribution:

Uynt9YC.png

In South Korea, it is mostly people in their 20s, 50s and 40s.

WJQsv1m.png

In Italy it's mostly people over 50, although there's a significant percentage of younger ones too.

8hbojid.png

 

I think the takeaway here is that pretty much all age groups are affected except children who doesn't seem to be very susceptible to it and are often asymptomatic. The differences between countries are probably the result of under which conditions the local outbreak originated. E.g. in South Korea the main cluster was that crazy religious cult; I think that's why they seem to have more younger people affected than the elderly. 

Sorry is this icu admission? 

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5 minutes ago, Burning Gold said:

You'd think that'd make them more conscious rather than less, surely? 

Who? 

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2 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Top work in this thread, do you do some kind of medical job a living? 

Cheers :) The company I work for specialises in medical consulting, but I just work with data and don't have any formal medical education (with the exception of some public health and neurophysiology modules).

7 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Sorry is this icu admission? 

No - just age distribution in all confirmed cases!

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9 minutes ago, nudge said:

Cheers :) The company I work for specialises in medical consulting, but I just work with data and don't have any formal medical education (with the exception of some public health and neurophysiology modules).

No - just age distribution in all confirmed cases!

Ok thanks for clarifying and top job you’re better at making it more understandable than official governments

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