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Liverpool 0-0 Man Utd - Sunday 17th January, 2021


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I find these young generation of players so frustrating to watch

Rashford, for example, he definitely has a lot going for him, very good player, big potential, but his technichal gestures are so imprecise. 

I fear this is part of a general trend and in the long-term, football will be a defender and midfielder's game, since the gap of ability between them and forwards becomes gradually smaller.

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2 minutes ago, Danny said:

You’re missing my point. Bruno is clearly the better player atm, in terms of talent with a football at his feet Pogba is the most talented at the club. Arguably the most talented player in the league, just doesn’t have the consistency to back it up 

 

2 minutes ago, Stan said:

No he isn't. 

 

Just now, Danny said:

I did though and you and Cicero responded to me you doughnut xD

This bit you donut. 

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3 minutes ago, Danny said:

You’re missing my point. Bruno is clearly the better player atm, in terms of talent with a football at his feet Pogba is the most talented at the club. Arguably the most talented player in the league, just doesn’t have the consistency to back it up 

Based on what exactly? What natural ability does Pogba actually have that surpasses Bruno? 

 

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I thought Liverpool would come out and batter Man Utd to be honest, they would flurry them early doors and get an early 2 goal lead or something. It hasn't happened though. Man Utd have defended well. Actually think they might pinch this now.

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Just now, Cicero said:

Based on what exactly? What natural ability does Pogba actually have that surpasses Bruno? 

 

Better passing short and long, better dribbling, better long range shooting, his technique, all round just more talented. But mentally I don’t think he’s the player Bruno is hence the impact Bruno has made on the team, and of course Bruno is actually a brilliant player.

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3 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

I rate Pogba but it’s hardly outrageous to say Fernandes is as talented. The whole ‘naturally talented’ stuff is bollocks, you work hard for talent.

Definitely.

I don’t think Pogba hasn’t necessarily worked hard. Just whatever he has done, hasn’t worked as much as others. 
 

Pogba struggles to make the top 5 most talented players between these 2 teams. Fernandes, Thiago, Salah, Rashford, Greenwood, Mane etc etc 

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2 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

I rate Pogba but it’s hardly outrageous to say Fernandes is as talented. The whole ‘naturally talented’ stuff is bollocks, you work hard for talent.

It is. Bruno is a lesser talented footballer (still a very, very, very, very good one) with a bigger mentality. Pogba for talent is genuinely one of the best in the world, for talent he’s up there with someone like Thiago. But the difference his clear as day between them, Thiago much like Bruno has an elite level, world class mentality and Pogba doesn’t, which is why the actual output is so different.

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2 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

I rate Pogba but it’s hardly outrageous to say Fernandes is as talented. The whole ‘naturally talented’ stuff is bollocks, you work hard for talent.

You can have talent but it doesn't make you a good footballer. You have other things to take into account like physique, discipline on and off the pitch, if you're mentally strong, decision making, work rate, hunger to win, influence on and off the pitch, etc. Having the talent is a major factor but if you don't have the rest you won't end up in top tier football.

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Just now, Danny said:

For natural talent name me 5 players more talented than him, as I said arguably, not the best

Mahrez and De Bruyne for starters are more talented. Don't get why it has to be 5. You said arguably the most talented player in the league. I disagree. Why are you getting so defensive about it xD

 

If you say 'arguably', expect an argument (read: debate) about it. 

 

2 minutes ago, Mpache said:

I am gonna back @Danny. Influence does not mean natural talent. Pogba being a "luxury player" specifies his talent on it's own. Not having consistency is another story.

Who said anything about influence? Being a luxury player based on what? 

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First half hour was good, played the ball around well and got into the last third plenty. Firmino should have done a lot better on a couple of occasion when he really should have scored. Utd got back into it in the last 15 minutes, but it’s come from our own pissing about at the back. Get it into midfield quicker and let Thiago & Shaqiri dictate the game like they were early on. 

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Just now, Stan said:

Who said anything about influence? Being a luxury player based on what? 

 

22 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Pogba being United's most talented player. That's Bruno. Not since Lampard have we seen a player be as influential in the final third as him. This has been going on 3 seasons now.

 

 

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I was one of those at the beginning when he went to Juve then came back to United banging about how talented Pogba is.

 

But how can long can you say someone is talented whilst they continue to underachieve and not influence their team consistently the way they should? It gets boring saying “yeah but he’s talented” if he was that talented he’d be a consistent performer in a team that’s been under achieving.
 

And you’d see the improvement and impact a genuine world class talented player should have.  
 

The same way an actual elite talented player such as Gerrard consistently performed well in his Liverpool team and dragged them up!

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4 minutes ago, JoshBRFC said:

Definitely.

I don’t think Pogba hasn’t necessarily worked hard. Just whatever he has done, hasn’t worked as much as others. 
 

Pogba struggles to make the top 5 most talented players between these 2 teams. Fernandes, Thiago, Salah, Rashford, Greenwood, Mane etc etc 

To be fair though, Taarabt was more talented than many players better than him yet he had a much worse career for other reasons. There's a difference between being talented and a top tier footballer.

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3 minutes ago, Danny said:

It is. Bruno is a lesser talented footballer (still a very, very, very, very good one) with a bigger mentality. Pogba for talent is genuinely one of the best in the world, for talent he’s up there with someone like Thiago. But the difference his clear as day between them, Thiago much like Bruno has an elite level, world class mentality and Pogba doesn’t, which is why the actual output is so different.

I’m not sure how you are able to make such a definition to be honest. Talent is only evident in performances, unless you have access to their training? I see nothing to suggest Fernandes is a level below Pogba in terms of talent. 

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