Administrator Stan 18,389 Posted July 28, 2021 Administrator Share Posted July 28, 2021 Calling him Spurs keeper probably bit of a stretch... https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1420310782491889666?s=19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 1,179 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 The career decline of Joe Hart has been nothing short of incredible. He's now gone from England number 1 to getting binned from Spurs second choice keeper in four years!!! How on earth has the rejection from club and country damaged him so much. Torino Burnley West Ham Spurs Other than Torino he's basically declined to an absolute shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploughendplonker 32 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Devil said: The career decline of Joe Hart has been nothing short of incredible. He's now gone from England number 1 to getting binned from Spurs second choice keeper in four years!!! How on earth has the rejection from club and country damaged him so much. Torino Burnley West Ham Spurs Other than Torino he's basically declined to an absolute shambles. I was thinking the same, he's 34 which for a GK isn't that old. Not only was he first choice for England for three tournaments, he was probably one of the first on the team sheet at international level for five or so years. Surely, when he was second choice at several of these clubs, he could've quite easily got a moneyspinning move to China or maybe the MLS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab 1,294 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Another dud goalkeeper to add to their collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 1,179 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 30 minutes ago, Rab said: Another dud goalkeeper to add to their collection. Exactly, the thing with the keeper is it doesn't matter if you step down in standard league wise your role doesn't really change much other than you have to go more direct with your kicking. If he's declined that much then what good is he to Celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 1,179 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 50 minutes ago, Ploughendplonker said: I was thinking the same, he's 34 which for a GK isn't that old. Not only was he first choice for England for three tournaments, he was probably one of the first on the team sheet at international level for five or so years. Surely, when he was second choice at several of these clubs, he could've quite easily got a moneyspinning move to China or maybe the MLS? At one point it was looking like he was going to break records for the number of caps collected. De Gea is going through a similar thing at United but given his size of contract we clearly feel we need to try and rebuild him. Some keepers minds are so fragile, they make a number of mistakes and that huge confidence they once had goes. With Joe it was the goal against Wales at EURO 2016 and the rejection from Pep. Remember Paul Robinson of Leeds and Spurs, he was another, England number one to Blackburn bench in a fast amount of time as well, Richard Wright was another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ploughendplonker 32 Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Devil said: At one point it was looking like he was going to break records for the number of caps collected. De Gea is going through a similar thing at United but given his size of contract we clearly feel we need to try and rebuild him. Some keepers minds are so fragile, they make a number of mistakes and that huge confidence they once had goes. With Joe it was the goal against Wales at EURO 2016 and the rejection from Pep. Remember Paul Robinson of Leeds and Spurs, he was another, England number one to Blackburn bench in a fast amount of time as well, Richard Wright was another. The thing about De Gea is being in the most prominent position for one of the most famous clubs in the world, every move he makes is under a microscope. This seems to go two ways; when he makes a decent save it ends up being nominated for save of the season, when he lets a dodgy goal in suddenly he's the weak link that needs replacing. Yes, Paul Robinson did seem to disappear quite quickly, just looked him up now and can't believe he was at Blackburn for 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoRoss 800 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Better, cheaper and younger option available for around the same money. But another season and another short term fix plucked from the EPL instead. Would be better than Scott Bain, most Scottish Premiership goalkeepers would be, but what's the point in bringing in a player who you'd still be looking to replace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab 1,294 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 28 minutes ago, ScoRoss said: Better, cheaper and younger option available for around the same money. But another season and another short term fix plucked from the EPL instead. Would be better than Scott Bain, most Scottish Premiership goalkeepers would be, but what's the point in bringing in a player who you'd still be looking to replace? After all the years of being nowhere, it's actually a very strange feeling knowing that our main and backup goalkeeper are both better than all of Celtic's goalkeepers. When you consider how much money they've been making from winning and selling players while we were playing Montrose with Kevin Kyle as our leading man... They're actually clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoRoss 800 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rab said: After all the years of being nowhere, it's actually a very strange feeling knowing that our main and backup goalkeeper are both better than all of Celtic's goalkeepers. When you consider how much money they've been making from winning and selling players while we were playing Montrose with Kevin Kyle as our leading man... They're actually clueless. Genuinely astonished that they went into their biggest game of the season against Midtjylland with Scott Bain. It's not like it's been a surprise, think most Celtic fans were done with Barkas by the winter break last season. When there have been so many times to bring in cheap, and much better options. Václav Hladký left St Mirren on a free last summer and would have easily been available for them, whilst Benjamin Siegrist is still at Dundee United and available for probably £1m or less. Their scouting seems just be currently looking at who is out of favour at EPL clubs. With the disastrous signings of Shane Duffy and Jonjoe Kenny last year, you'd have though they might have avoided that market again. Especially as it's not exactly filled with bargains, they all earn 3/4x as much as similar talented players elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted 1,776 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 A panic option where the only positive thing you can say is that it’s hard to imagine him being remotely as bad as the other two have been so far. I think a lot of people were willing to back Barkas and give him a bit of slack until Christmas, to see if he could play into a bit of form, but his performances have been so terrible that it’s come to this. Barkas or Bain would singlehandedly have us out of contention on all fronts within a few months. It sounds like he’s taken a big pay cut at least to come, and hopefully it’s a short-ish contract. Ultimately the most damning part of the signing is that, like in every other position of defence, you have no idea how good/bad he is going to be but you can be reasonably confident that the team would be improved by throwing him in as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab 1,294 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Inverted said: A panic option where the only positive thing you can say is that it’s hard to imagine him being remotely as bad as the other two have been so far. I think a lot of people were willing to back Barkas and give him a bit of slack until Christmas, to see if he could play into a bit of form, but his performances have been so terrible that it’s come to this. Barkas or Bain would singlehandedly have us out of contention on all fronts within a few months. It sounds like he’s taken a big pay cut at least to come, and hopefully it’s a short-ish contract. What does your goalkeeping coach actually do if every keeper does the same mistakes? Their positioning and jumping of both hilariously bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted 1,776 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Rab said: What does your goalkeeping coach actually do if every keeper does the same mistakes? Their positioning and jumping are both horrendous. From looks of it, trying to train them to play like Manuel Neuer. Minus the strength, speed, agility, technique , reflexes, or tactical intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Storts+ 2,424 Posted August 3, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 3, 2021 As long as they don’t shoot down to his left Hart will be a good signing. His distribution is really good still too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab 1,294 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 23 minutes ago, Storts said: As long as they don’t shoot down to his left Hart will be a good signing. His distribution is really good still too. No doubt everyone is going to try and abuse his weakness like Roma did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoRoss 800 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Joe Hart, 34, joins on a three year deal. Whilst James McCarthy, 30, joins on a four year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LFCMike 3,012 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Three and four year deals, fucking hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted 1,776 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, LFCMike said: Three and four year deals, fucking hell Hart is only on 15k so getting one or two passable seasons out of him before he slides down the pecking order for one or two seasons is just about bearable McCarthy however could be a disaster, unless he has taken a massive pay cut. Best case scenario is he's a solid starter for at least a couple of seasons before injuries get to him. PL veterans can go either way up here - Arfield has done well. Others not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab 1,294 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reluctant Striker 134 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I hope he does well. He has for some time seemed quite harshly treated. Not able to get a game for a few sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,105 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Celtic will go invincible with my bot Ange. @Rab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,191 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 On 28/07/2021 at 02:51, Devil said: The career decline of Joe Hart has been nothing short of incredible. He's now gone from England number 1 to getting binned from Spurs second choice keeper in four years!!! How on earth has the rejection from club and country damaged him so much. Torino Burnley West Ham Spurs Other than Torino he's basically declined to an absolute shambles. I think the mental aspect of the game is often understated - and some players really struggle when they're under the microscope and don't perform and never really seem to get their confidence back. And I think in some positions, utterly losing your confidence leaves you a way lesser player. Especially for keepers. Sort of like Karius, after his CL final blunders... his career has really tanked - he spent most of last season sitting on a bench at Union Berlin. I think at the top level, but especially the very top of the top level... a lot of what separates keepers apart from each other is mostly their mentality. All keepers will make mistakes, the best keepers don't ever dwell on their mistakes and just keep going on trying to organise their defense and be as perfect of a keeper as possible. With Hart and De Gea (who's lost form, but I think ultimately faired significantly better overall), they've both had intense media scrutiny with every blunder imo... I could see that getting to quite a lot of people, tbh. At the end of the day he's only human and I think his decline sort of reflects maybe a player that's more like a "normal person" in terms of confidence/anxiety/etc... that's probably less likely to "just move on" after high profile blunders. But I'm just guessing lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,404 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 James McCarthy will be an upgrade on Scott Brown when he is fit. He was very good in his first season for us but his second season was disrupted by injuries. I think the fans will love him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toinho 2,210 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 How’s Hart been playing? Some good results lately for Ange and Celtic. Just a shame, as I’m not sure Celtic deserve the great man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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