Devil Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Happy Blue said: Well, if all this is just a big con, Messi should think about an acting career after football I actually think his emotion was real, the actual press conference was designed in the knowledge he'd get emotional though, they wanted the world to see Messi didn't want to leave Barca. Still a staged event designed for a purpose. Looks like it may have worked as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadLinesman Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Aguero right now…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 If Messi leaves when he could have played for a couple of mil a season he's a cunt But if Messi stays after all this song and dance he's an even bigger cunt. This is the baby who retired from the national side twice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toinho Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 On 06/08/2021 at 06:29, Toinho said: Somehow still expect him to be at Barca despite what’s happening - it feels odd that he would leave! But, if it does eventuate, and if you’re reading this Leo, Perth Glory will accommodate you. (You don’t need much € to live in Paradise). This guy will end up being right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toinho Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: If Messi leaves when he could have played for a couple of mil a season he's a cunt But if Messi stays after all this song and dance he's an even bigger cunt. This is the baby who retired from the national side twice though. Fair points tbh. Ridiculous stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted August 10, 2021 Author Administrator Share Posted August 10, 2021 24 minutes ago, Devil said: I actually think his emotion was real, the actual press conference was designed in the knowledge he'd get emotional though, they wanted the world to see Messi didn't want to leave Barca. Still a staged event designed for a purpose. Looks like it may have worked as well. Just like any other player leaving their club having spent nearly two decades there. I don't remember so much clamour or bad-mouthing to someone like Casillas when he left Real Madrid a few seasons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, Stan said: Just like any other player leaving their club having spent nearly two decades there. I don't remember so much clamour or bad-mouthing to someone like Casillas when he left Real Madrid a few seasons ago. We're talking about one of the worlds biggest sporting Icons. Casillas was a legend of Madrid but he could be replaced and actually needed replacing. Messi is still hitting record numbers per season and running for the Ballon d'or every season. Me personally I think he's been greedy, far too greedy but then so are 90% of footballers, you only get the odd exception to the rule like Kante. This fiasco isn't down to him though, Barca are to blame, they've added more excessive salaries to weekly wage bill. Reality is if they were willing to pay Messi the wage he wanted they had to keep other wages down. That hasn't been the case though, they've just thrown money at players left right and centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Danny Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Devil said: We're talking about one of the worlds biggest sporting Icons. Casillas was a legend of Madrid but he could be replaced and actually needed replacing. Messi is still hitting record numbers per season and running for the Ballon d'or every season. Me personally I think he's been greedy, far too greedy but then so are 90% of footballers, you only get the odd exception to the rule like Kante. This fiasco isn't down to him though, Barca are to blame, they've added more excessive salaries to weekly wage bill. Reality is if they were willing to pay Messi the wage he wanted they had to keep other wages down. That hasn't been the case though, they've just thrown money at players left right and centre. He could play for free and they'd still have to cut 20%-25% of their wage bill. How are people still believing this is a Messi problem, and not a Barce are fucked problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Danny said: He could play for free and they'd still have to cut 20%-25% of their wage bill. How are people still believing this is a Messi problem, and not a Barce are fucked problem. Where did I say in that post this is a Messi problem? I said he was Messi is greedy, but Barca are to blame. Meaning they've made their own mess and now can't sign him due to excessive salaries on their wage bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Devil said: Where did I say in that post this is a Messi problem? I said he was Messi is greedy, but Barca are to blame. Meaning they've made their own mess and now can't sign him due to excessive salaries on their wage bill. Just seems strange to talk about Messi's greed when he halved his market value for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber JoshBRFC+ Posted August 10, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 10, 2021 3 hours ago, DeadLinesman said: Apparently Barsa have offered him a new deal?!?!?! Also… who the #### are Barsa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber JoshBRFC+ Posted August 10, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Stan said: Love it. So true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toinho Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Toinho said: This guy will end up being right This guy will be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, Danny said: Just seems strange to talk about Messi's greed when he halved his market value for them. The fact he was already being paid twice as much a year than any other footballer would be the reason I think he's greedy. I don't think Barca would have given him that money if his agent or himself hadn't requested that amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 You can put whichever arbitrary number you like on it, but footballers should absolutely be salary capped. 1 mil a season after tax is the number I'd slam down. Bonuses outside that bracket for winning cups, golden boots, team of the season ect. Your 10-20 year career you can earn a 10 million wage plus whatever bonuses you get from advertising, winning individual honors or trophies as part of a team. You'd still have wholesale teams of millionaires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Not very eager to jump in to support a footballer's demands for massive wages, but: Maybe he would have been willing to go even lower than 50% and could have signed before his contract ran out, if the club had been up front about how bad the problem was. Instead, they delayed, got him to accept a 50% cut, and then turned up to the day when signing was meant to be a formality and admitted that they still can't register him. And then by that point, it was too late to do anything. The club had counted on Tebas bending over for them, in their usual conviction that they can have everything their own way without any serious forward thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted August 10, 2021 Author Administrator Share Posted August 10, 2021 To be fair if I was sitting next to her I wouldn't be crying anymore either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 Thats a ridiculous squad PSG have. It's a man management job more than anything for poccentino. Out of interest. Couldnt Barca have got rid of a lot of other players and kept messi if he agreed to take a substantial pay cut? Say to 100 grand a week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: You can put whichever arbitrary number you like on it, but footballers should absolutely be salary capped. 1 mil a season after tax is the number I'd slam down. Bonuses outside that bracket for winning cups, golden boots, team of the season ect. Your 10-20 year career you can earn a 10 million wage plus whatever bonuses you get from advertising, winning individual honors or trophies as part of a team. You'd still have wholesale teams of millionaires. Yeah but then wouldn't the money just go to already insanely rich billionaires instead? I'd support that if it meant the ticket prices or tv deals etc went down in price but I doubt it would work that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Danny said: How are people still believing this is a Messi problem, and not a Barce are fucked problem. Let's not forget all the times we had the drama of him saying he wanted to leave which was genuine because he is the type of character that thrives on positives but sulks like shit when the club hits some adversity knowing full well they wouldn't want their club legend to leave so they kept upping the cash and bettering the deals regardless of the cost... Barca were to blame for pandering to it all these years.. 2 hours ago, Danny said: Just seems strange to talk about Messi's greed when he halved his market value for them. That's the equivalent of me telling my bosses that I am prepared to work the last two weeks of my notice for half my wages after sucking them dry of every penny for the past 20 years and taking so much of the cash pie that they were not even able to take on any new staff to replace me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Profesor Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 For Qatar, getting Messi is bigger than a UCL title, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, Bluewolf said: Let's not forget all the times we had the drama of him saying he wanted to leave which was genuine because he is the type of character that thrives on positives but sulks like shit when the club hits some adversity knowing full well they wouldn't want their club legend to leave so they kept upping the cash and bettering the deals regardless of the cost... Barca were to blame for pandering to it all these years.. That's the equivalent of me telling my bosses that I am prepared to work the last two weeks of my notice for half my wages after sucking them dry of every penny for the past 20 years and taking so much of the cash pie that they were not even able to take on any new staff to replace me... Mate football clubs make more out of footballers like Messi than they spend on them, that's part of the reason Barce were so desperate to keep him. How the previous board have treated the club has not been a sudden issue, it has been a consistent issue that has finally come to a stop. Messi not signing a renewal initially was for the betterment of the club, so that the previous president who was running the club into the ground could be voted out. It put pressure on a new president to run with the intent of signing him back and making better financial decisions, the reason he has had to leave is because the new president was not fully aware of how bad Barce's finances are. Your analogy is just way off and not representative of what's happened at Barcelona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Gunnersauraus said: Thats a ridiculous squad PSG have. It's a man management job more than anything for poccentino. Out of interest. Couldnt Barca have got rid of a lot of other players and kept messi if he agreed to take a substantial pay cut? Say to 100 grand a week? Depends. Without Messi, they are still 20% over the required salary cap. When players like Sergio Roberto and Umtiti are on 230K a week, selling them on would be nearly impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, Cicero said: Depends. Without Messi, they are still 20% over the required salary cap. When players like Sergio Roberto and Umtiti are on 230K a week, selling them on would be nearly impossible. I think a lot of big clubs suffer this issue once they start overspending on average players. Look at United for an example, we're improving our team/squad but we're still not clearing out a certain number of players that have outstayed their welcome. Why, because they wouldn't ever get that salary anywhere else. I mean, who on earth decided Umtiti was worth 230k a week. Absolute madness, same with Roberto, average player, Barca through and through. He would have stayed with Barcelona on half that figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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