Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted August 30, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted August 30, 2022 Lampard isn't as close to getting sacked as people make out. There's an appreciation that most of the failures this season lie in the recruitment department more than the manager. Another 6 weeks or so and we're still struggling then the questions will start being asked behind the scenes. Dyche wouldn't be an unreasonable shout for us if a vacancy does come up. People still under appreciate how much the Benitez appointment destroyed the club on and off the pitch. From having Ancelotti to deeming Dyche a decent appointment in the space of two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnersaurus Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: Lampard isn't as close to getting sacked as people make out. There's an appreciation that most of the failures this season lie in the recruitment department more than the manager. Another 6 weeks or so and we're still struggling then the questions will start being asked behind the scenes. Dyche wouldn't be an unreasonable shout for us if a vacancy does come up. People still under appreciate how much the Benitez appointment destroyed the club on and off the pitch. From having Ancelotti to deeming Dyche a decent appointment in the space of two years. One thing which I think you mentioned before is Ancelotti won the champions league after leaving Everton. For me that shows it's not the manager it's the recruitment. I think scouting is so important. You look at man city they spend a lot but they scout well as well. I think Everton are a club with a lot of potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted August 30, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted August 30, 2022 24 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said: You just dont like his football. Just looked up Ruben amorim. He hasn't done anything that suggests to me he is better than dyche. This is the problem with modern football fans they want everything now. Yes, I don't like his football and don't think he's right for us. This is the problem with modern football fans. Other fans think they know what's best for another club. They think they know everything. How does wanting a specific coach equate to 'wanting everything'? You've looked him for about 20 minutes and decided he's not good enough. Can you let me know what you looked up and how you came to such a speedy conclusion ? Dyche plays direct football and bases his game on aggression, physicality and traditional 4-4-2. Speedy wingers, physical forwards and defenders, and combative midfielders. Amorim plays 3 at the back, is generally favourable of capable wing-backs, pressing high and across the pitch and utilising attacking players and technical midfielders. We have Barnes as a traditional. out-and-out winger and that's it. We have the players that can play in a 3-4-3/3-5-2 (something that Amorim specialises in, would you believe it?!) but we currently don't have the coach to get the best out of them. Not sure about you, but I've noticed a marked change in how the game is played based on the first few games of this season - speed, high-press, intense and engaging football. Stick with Rodgers or move for Dyche, and we'll continue to be left behind while others progress... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnersaurus Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Stan said: Yes, I don't like his football and don't think he's right for us. This is the problem with modern football fans. Other fans think they know what's best for another club. They think they know everything. How does wanting a specific coach equate to 'wanting everything'? You've looked him for about 20 minutes and decided he's not good enough. Can you let me know what you looked up and how you came to such a speedy conclusion ? Dyche plays direct football and bases his game on aggression, physicality and traditional 4-4-2. Speedy wingers, physical forwards and defenders, and combative midfielders. Amorim plays 3 at the back, is generally favourable of capable wing-backs, pressing high and across the pitch and utilising attacking players and technical midfielders. We have Barnes as a traditional. out-and-out winger and that's it. We have the players that can play in a 3-4-3/3-5-2 (something that Amorim specialises in, would you believe it?!) but we currently don't have the coach to get the best out of them. Not sure about you, but I've noticed a marked change in how the game is played based on the first few games of this season - speed, high-press, intense and engaging football. Stick with Rodgers or move for Dyche, and we'll continue to be left behind while others progress... I said I haven't seen anything to suggest he is better than dyche. If you were honest you'd admit that it's only because you dont like his style. Which is fair enough because it's boring. But as for success I'd be surprised if you could get a better manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I mean the games they lost were against Man City, Arsenal, and Liverpool. Even against Aston Villa they were underdogs and won. Won their game in the cup as well. Judging him on their performances against the top sides is a bit harsh in my opinion. I can only assume they have someone lined up that they think will do better than Parker but it's still harsh to sack him right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 A sign of the times that this situation isn't seen as a complete disgrace. He hasn't left by mutual consent for a strategic disagreement, he's been sacked. The 9-0 is the shield Bournemouth hierarchy are using to get away with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted August 30, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted August 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, 6666 said: I mean the games they lost were against Man City, Arsenal, and Liverpool. Even against Aston Villa they were underdogs and won. Won their game in the cup as well. Judging him on their performances against the top sides is a bit harsh in my opinion. I can only assume they have someone lined up that they think will do better than Parker but it's still harsh to sack him right now. It appears it wasn't the results that got him sacked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Knock on Leicester's door Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted August 30, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted August 30, 2022 41 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said: I said I haven't seen anything to suggest he is better than dyche. If you were honest you'd admit that it's only because you dont like his style. Which is fair enough because it's boring. But as for success I'd be surprised if you could get a better manager. I have literally said I don't like his style and don't think it's right for us . So thank you for confirming my honesty. You have based your opinion on about 20 mins of research (by your own admission). You've not see anything based on that to suggest he's better than Dyche, so automatically that means Dyche is the ultimate best option for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tar-Mairon Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 31 minutes ago, Honey Honey said: A sign of the times that this situation isn't seen as a complete disgrace. He hasn't left by mutual consent for a strategic disagreement, he's been sacked. The 9-0 is the shield Bournemouth hierarchy are using to get away with this. He's been sacked but the reason he's been sacked is because he was backed in January with signings that he claimed would make them competitive in the Premier League. He's now rowed back on this despite pressuring the board to sign these players (so yes, the board have backed him) by saying they now aren't good enough and demanding a new team. He's finally had a club's patience run out with him (he tried this shit at Fulham, was backed massively, took them down, said he wasn't backed and they weren't good enough to compete ((look what Silva has done)) and actually attempted to get himself sacked when he wanted the Bournemouth job rather than resign because no pay-off) after going public with not only attacking the board but attacking his own players, failing to take responsibility and throwing them under the bus. He's publicly told them they aren't good enough to play in the PL and to expect more thrashings - he's supposed to be the manager, paid to motivate the team! The Bournemouth hierarchy don't have to "get away with it", Parker is their employee and he's utterly failed to conduct himself in a respectful manner to the club. They have every right to sack him. The problem with Scott Parker is that Scott Parker thinks Scott Parker is a much better manager than Scott Parker is and that Scott Parker should be rubbing shoulders towards the top of the league. Lampard and Gerrard were mentioned earlier and he doesn't even have the pull of them. He has nowhere near their aura or their legendary status in the game and Lampard and Gerrard speak well as frontmen for their respective clubs (not always enough as Gerrard looks likely to soon find out) whereas Parker stares to one side and mumbles incoherently whenever he's asked to speak. The guy's just been found out, that's all that happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tar-Mairon Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 47 minutes ago, Stan said: I have literally said I don't like his style and don't think it's right for us . So thank you for confirming my honesty. You have based your opinion on about 20 mins of research (by your own admission). You've not see anything based on that to suggest he's better than Dyche, so automatically that means Dyche is the ultimate best option for us? Pochettino is the best option that leaps to mind. Whether he'd want it is another question but with Leicester's squad and possible motivational issues, he'd be a great call to go in and sort it out while working with their calibre of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted August 30, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted August 30, 2022 29 minutes ago, Tar-Mairon said: Pochettino is the best option that leaps to mind. Whether he'd want it is another question but with Leicester's squad and possible motivational issues, he'd be a great call to go in and sort it out while working with their calibre of player. I think he'd be great here but after stints at Spurs reaching CL final, and with managing PSG and the talent there, I think he'd see us as way too much of a step down. So think he would be the best option, but sadly unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Blue Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Bit of a surprise, only four games in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ Posted August 30, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted August 30, 2022 Bournemouth are probably the club in this league that are the biggest mystery, less is known about their details than the majority, so it's interesting to hear there are proper reasons for it. It seemed a bit hasty on the face of it but it doesn't seem all that dissimilar a situation to what we have brewing here. I can see it being Dyche. Would be strange after all that he and Howe managed each others long term clubs but he makes some sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted August 30, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted August 30, 2022 Hasn't Parker already been relegated from the Premier League twice with Fulham? And isn't that pretty much his entire Premier League record as a manager? With a record like that, it's rare that a newly promoted side will change their promotion manager before the season but it is usually a case of when not if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Don't agree with this, sure the results have been bad since the Villa game but against the best opponents in the league. They haven't bought anything that stands out, in those circumstances they should have surely seen how he would do over the next 4 or 5 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Parker just might have been too emotional on the night, wonder if they gave him the chance to apologise. Just seems sad to go in this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reluctant Striker Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 I guess if a manager of any club starts commenting on the club's finances & suggesting people at the club need to decide what they want.. an option they may decide is to go with is a manager who will to some extent work with what is available at & to the club. Even so, the alternate is that he was trying to be honest & realistic. And if any side was getting battered 9-0 at Anfield, Bournemouth would have seemed a more than feasible victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 8 hours ago, Stan said: 'a club like Leicester'. Explain? Dyche did very well with Burnley. I don't doubt that. But his style of football is not conducive to the kind of players we have. We've got very technical players, and they're not overtly physical or aggressive in the slightest. Even if Dyche put his stamp on the team, it'd take at least 1-2 seasons to adapt, and I just can't see us going for a manager like him with what his style is like. It’s tough for managers like him because how much of the style is down to trying to continually punch above their weight? Having said that, I don’t think he’s the right fit at Leicester either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Well, managers now know if they lose 9-0 they will be sacked i.e Ross at Dundee Utd. So many coincidences this season it's unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnersaurus Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 23 hours ago, Stan said: I have literally said I don't like his style and don't think it's right for us . So thank you for confirming my honesty. You have based your opinion on about 20 mins of research (by your own admission). You've not see anything based on that to suggest he's better than Dyche, so automatically that means Dyche is the ultimate best option for us? You dont like his style because it's boring. Not that it's not suitable. He may be better than Dyche. Dyche may be better than him. It's hard to say. But the reason you dont want dyche is because you dont like his style. It's nothing to with how effective it is. Stop bullshitting. The point I'm making is dyche has certainly done enough to get a job at a club like Leicester. I'm not saying you couldnt get a better manager I said you would struggle to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted August 31, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted August 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said: You dont like his style because it's boring. Not that it's not suitable. He may be better than Dyche. Dyche may be better than him. It's hard to say. But the reason you dont want dyche is because you dont like his style. It's nothing to with how effective it is. Stop bullshitting. The point I'm making is dyche has certainly done enough to get a job at a club like Leicester. I'm not saying you couldnt get a better manager I said you would struggle to. What you on about stop bullshitting? You just have a hard-on for Dyche and think he's better than someone you know 20 mins research about Yes. I don't like his style. And i don't think it's suitable for the players we have. It's not fucking rocket science what I'm getting at. The reason I don't want Dyche is because I don't like his style and don't think it's effective for us. Hope that's simple enough for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 48 minutes ago, Stan said: What you on about stop bullshitting? You just have a hard-on for Dyche and think he's better than someone you know 20 mins research about Yes. I don't like his style. And i don't think it's suitable for the players we have. It's not fucking rocket science what I'm getting at. The reason I don't want Dyche is because I don't like his style and don't think it's effective for us. Hope that's simple enough for you. He talks so much shite it’s unbelievable. Constantly out to be the contrarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnersaurus Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Stan said: What you on about stop bullshitting? You just have a hard-on for Dyche and think he's better than someone you know 20 mins research about Yes. I don't like his style. And i don't think it's suitable for the players we have. It's not fucking rocket science what I'm getting at. The reason I don't want Dyche is because I don't like his style and don't think it's effective for us. Hope that's simple enough for you. I don't believe you. I think the only reason you dont want him is because you dont like his style. It's nothing about having a hard on for dyche it's just looking at his record and coming to the the conclusion he would probably do a good job at Leicester. Is that simple enough for you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnersaurus Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Rick said: He talks so much shite it’s unbelievable. Constantly out to be the contrarian. Thats rich coming from you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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