UK Politics & Brexit Discussion

[Spike]

10 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

You know communist dictators is a contradictio in adiecto? Since communism is a state of egalitarian rule without hierarchy, which means there can be either socialist dictators or dictators of communist ideology, but definetively no communist dictators. That's anopther reason, why bweing fascist and communist exclude each other. Which also makes your term anarcho-communist redundant since communism is a state of anarchy. But hey told you to read some political theory. Also Calling Russia communist, shows you don'T only don't know what communism is , you also don't have the slightest idea of socialism, otherwise you'd know Russia is indeed capitalist and has less socialist elements to its economy and society than any Western European country.  

As for the part about Germany: Again you talk about things you don't really comprehend. The onlyinstance that is allowed to ban any party in Germany is the Bundesverfassungsgericht (translates to Federal Constitution Court) so the opposition isn't even capable juridically to ban the AFD, even if they wanted, which most of them don't. Second there's only 1 reason, why the BVG is juridically allowed to ban a party, and that is if the party is proven to be willing to forceably owerthrow the liberal democratic basic order of Germany.  Nothing to do with populism. And no that's no opinion of me it's possible to fact check that by reading by reading Article 12 Paragraph 2 2nd sentence of Grundgestz (which is the German constitution). Don't know which sources you use for your information about Germany, still would recommand to change them, since any single statement you made about that country has been proven factually wrong, so far.

You also forgot to point out how he said it’s be fascist for Germany to ban the fascist party. Hhhmmmmmm…
 

… but maybe that part was so stupid, your mind blanked ….

[Dr. Gonzo]

59 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

EDIT: Am undecided, whether I should be bemused, amused, or straight offended you seem to think a German living in Germany for over 50 years like me would not know, the first 20 articles of the German constitution, which are called basic rights.

I think bemused or amused is the right answer.

Here's a guy who's been told "hey what you're saying, on the very face of the words you are using, doesn't make any sense" numerous times. So what happens next? Doubling down and a little bit more nonsense to pollute the waters further.

[OrangeKhrush]

Labour had it all in the bag, wrapped up then they decided to take it as a challenge.  It has become quite comical.

[Stan]

Not sure what's worse - Jeremy Hunt having the gall to think cutting national insurance by 2p is going to solve people's financial woes, or the fact that people will still vote for that sham of a party thinking they are better off because of it.

It's a tax cut for the rich, not anyone else. 

[OrangeKhrush]

On 28/02/2024 at 20:28, Spike said:

You also forgot to point out how he said it’s be fascist for Germany to ban the fascist party. Hhhmmmmmm…
 

… but maybe that part was so stupid, your mind blanked ….

Fascism is banning political opponents because they are gaining populism.  Because they are nationalists is not sufficient proof of fascism.

Fascism has thrived in socialistic systems, Yuri Bezmenov on his 1984 interview on ideological subversion in the first 30-40 minutes talks about fascism in Soviet Russia and how socialism only works for the connected everyone else was a dissident, a slave. 

In modern politics fascism is a term loosely thrown around to villianise alternative ideology.  The only thing they are guilty of is espousing civic nationalism which every progressive confuses as fascism.  I think for someone that did a lot of twerking for Xi the other day, I don't think you can differentiate any more.  

 

[Rucksackfranzose]

24 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Fascism is banning political opponents because they are gaining populism.  Because they are nationalists is not sufficient proof of fascism.

Fascism has thrived in socialistic systems, Yuri Bezmenov on his 1984 interview on ideological subversion in the first 30-40 minutes talks about fascism in Soviet Russia and how socialism only works for the connected everyone else was a dissident, a slave. 

In modern politics fascism is a term loosely thrown around to villianise alternative ideology.  The only thing they are guilty of is espousing civic nationalism which every progressive confuses as fascism.  I think for someone that did a lot of twerking for Xi the other day, I don't think you can differentiate any more.  

 

So you didn't read my answer! The only reason a political party can possibly be banned in Germany is if they are proven to be willing to forcibly overthrow Germany's liberal democratic basic order. Read German constituion article 12, paragraph 2, 2nd sentence.

Falsely repeating it would be for populism doesn't make this non-sense more correct.

Edited March 6 by Rucksackfranzose

[OrangeKhrush]

13 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

So you didn't read my answer! The only reason a political party can possibly be banned in Germany is if they are proven to be willing to forcibly overthrow Germany's liberal democratic basic order. Read German constituion article 12, paragraph 2, 2nd sentence.

Falsely repeating it would be for populism doesn't make this non-sense more correct.

According to who?  I have not read of a civil uprising although

This vlog does go into detail on the rise of nation states and the deconstruction of western liberalism with referance to Germany.  I haven't of any coup DE tat in Germany and the AFD seem to have momentum for populist vote.  

If we use the ideological subversion implantation that Russia infected the west with, I would say we are in stage 2 of that 4; demoralisation, destabilization is achieved civic nationalism is destroyed, nationhood is destroyed and moral norms are perversed.  All that is left is crisis then normalisation.

 

[Rucksackfranzose]

4 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

According to who?  I have not read of a civil uprising although

This vlog does go into detail on the rise of nation states and the deconstruction of western liberalism with referance to Germany.  I haven't of any coup DE tat in Germany and the AFD seem to have momentum for populist vote.  

If we use the ideological subversion implantation that Russia infected the west with, I would say we are in stage 2 of that 4; demoralisation, destabilization is achieved civic nationalism is destroyed, nationhood is destroyed and moral norms are perversed.  All that is left is crisis then normalisation.

 

According to the Bundesverfassungsgericht (translates to Federal Constituion Court). And no you didn't hear of an uprising and didn't hear of a party ban neither.

By the way to be willing to do something doesn't necessarily equalize to be capable to do it. You said you were an attourney, now you doubt a court's potential ruling, although you don't know anything about it. Poses an interesting question: Are you sure you're a lawyer?

Edited March 6 by Rucksackfranzose

[Spike]

3 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Fascism is banning political opponents because they are gaining populism.  Because they are nationalists is not sufficient proof of fascism.

Fascism has thrived in socialistic systems, Yuri Bezmenov on his 1984 interview on ideological subversion in the first 30-40 minutes talks about fascism in Soviet Russia and how socialism only works for the connected everyone else was a dissident, a slave. 

In modern politics fascism is a term loosely thrown around to villianise alternative ideology.  The only thing they are guilty of is espousing civic nationalism which every progressive confuses as fascism.  I think for someone that did a lot of twerking for Xi the other day, I don't think you can differentiate any more.  

 

So you've come back after licking your wounds, eh? Well Mr. Libertarian-Nonce, how about you do some explaining. Please enlighten me on a few little caveats you don't seem to address but dance around the boot you lick. So socialism only applies to those well connected, well I seem to be able to use the roads pretty easily, whose cronyism am I appealing to? i seem to be able to use my universal healthcare in Australia very easily, I don't know anyone in medicine. I can call the police, the fire brigade, and an ambulance just fine, I can apply for unemployment, the PBS, maternity and paternity leave, pension, superannuation, childcare support, wow the list goes on... yet I don't know anyone and these services are provided to me as social programs, weird right!? So who is this magical person I know that gets me these connections?

Okay that's question one finished, maybe you can now define fascism and how the policies of AfD differ from fascism, they seem to really love the hallmarks of fascism; anti-immigration, historical revisionism, prefacing an in-group and an out-group to blame the 'struggles of the nation on', nationalism, xenophobia, religious prejudice, racism, the 'decline of morals and ethics in society', homophobia, literally using key words that the Nazi party used, you have no idea what you are talking about yet again.

Lastly, can you quote me on where I was twerking for Xi? I seem to recall being very critical of Xi, China, and you're inability to use words correctly, and now I'm going to be critical of your reading comprehension because no matter how much you staring the face of facts laid bare before you, I can continue to read the diarrhoea sprayed from your fingertips onto my computer screen. 

[Tommy]

On 28/02/2024 at 19:16, Rucksackfranzose said:

Again you talk about things you don't really comprehend.

It's all he does, really. I don't know if it's just to get attention, or if he's really that oblivious. Or he just lives in his own YouTube/Twitter(x)-bubble, where everyone has these kind of views, so he feels reassured. 

[Spike]

Just now, Tommy said:

It's all he does, really. I don't know if it's just to get attention, or if he's really that oblivious. Or he just lives in his own YouTube/Twitter(x)-bubble, where everyone has these kind of views, so he feels reassured. 

Well he can't seem to see a pink elephant with the words 'I'm a fascist' painted on it in bold black letters.

[Spike]

@Rucksackfranzosethe youtuber Black Pigeon Speaks is known to make videos that cover topics like race realism, holocaust denial (he calls it holocaust questioning), transphobia,conspiracy theories, et al, which always gets deleted some way or another. I suggest you don't watch any of the videos for a number of reasons. Our friend is an ideological cuck that needs fringe lunatics to disseminate this vile filth for him because he can’t actually articulate any sort of consistent ideology.

https://shorensteincenter.org/anatomy-of-alt-right-youtuber/

Edited March 6 by Spike

[Stan]

Can't believe (or can I?) that some Tory ministers won't call out the racist that is Frank Hester, their biggest donor, as a racist. 

The comments about Diane Abbott are despicable.

[Carnivore Chris]

On 06/03/2024 at 21:20, Spike said:

 

Religious prejudice

Ironically the worst for this are actually other religious people.

Muslims vs Hindus, Muslims vs Jews, Muslims vs Christians, Catholics vs Protestants. In fact even Shia Muslims vs Sunni Muslims...

They are often the worst when it comes to homophobia too.

Edited March 13 by Carnivore Chris

[Spike]

4 hours ago, Carnivore Chris said:

Ironically the worst for this are actually other religious people.

Muslims vs Hindus, Muslims vs Jews, Muslims vs Christians, Catholics vs Protestants. In fact even Shia Muslims vs Sunni Muslims...

They are often the worst when it comes to homophobia too.

The reason they that way are is nearly always politically motivated and cultivated. There is very little in many of these religion’s dogmas that call for open hostility towards other faiths, Islam and Christianity are the most aggressive when it comes to conversions but nothing I’ve come across openly demands prejudice.

[Stan]

62 Tory MPs in total have decided not to stand in the next general election. 

Sunak being the spineless thundercunt still refusing to call one though. 

[MUFC]

Irelands PM.

[Spike]

1 hour ago, MUFC said:

Irelands PM.

Fine Gael

[Dr. Gonzo]

https://www.euronews.com/2024/03/26/slaughtered-uk-farmers-protest-post-brexit-rules-and-trade-deals
 

Formerly pro-Brexit farmers very pissed off after finding out what Brexit means for them

[MUFC]

 

[Stan]

 

Tories taking a pounding in some of the local elections.

About time Sunak calls a general election. It's just pure negligence now. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

6 minutes ago, Stan said:

 

Tories taking a pounding in some of the local elections.

About time Sunak calls a general election. It's just pure negligence now. 

Love seeing these results.

[6666]

Tories losing close to 50% of their seats. A good election for the Tory Labour party. As the count currently stands, the Lib Dems also have more seats now. Independents doing well as well. Both are good things going forward to challenge the Tory & Labour establishment.

[Danny]

13 minutes ago, 6666 said:

Tories losing close to 50% of their seats. A good election for the Tory Labour party. As the count currently stands, the Lib Dems also have more seats now. Independents doing well as well. Both are good things going forward to challenge the Tory & Labour establishment.

Will never happen unless there is significant change in how we are governed. Reality is that Lib Dems and Greens and whoever else will rarely ever be close to power, and the only way to open up new avenues for political parties is to give more power to local authorities which in turn would give your vote more power. imo anyway.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Lib dems are just mild flavoured tories, like labour's become... but not quite as mild as labour. But them being popular is preferred to tories, even though I think they're really just more dishonest than your average tory.