Devil-Dick Willie Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 From a personal perspective this is obviously a very sad moment for his friends and family. From a football perspective though... But fuck me Cardiff did you build the club under a ladder on an indian burial ground. This is absurdly unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Administrator Batard Posted January 22, 2019 Administrator Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Stan said: Smaller jets going across the sea at lower altitudes, hitting cross winds as land emerges from the water has to be a terrifying experience. I wouldn't want to do it myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 56 minutes ago, Marc said: Very sad. I wonder if clubs have some kind of insurance in place for death. I'm pretty sure they do for career ending injuries so it would make sense if they did in the result of death I would imagine professional contracts entail some sort of life insurance policy along with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserker Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Stan said: I heard that interview, it's badly translated. What actually happened is that Emiliano sent the message BEFORE this flight saying effectively what it says there because they had used the same plane when going from Cardiff back to Nantes to say goodbye to his teammates and they had a very rough flight. Should have switched planes, don't know why they didn't. And by the looks of it the plane was hired in the UK rather than in France, maybe even provided by the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 22, 2019 Administrator Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Berserker said: And by the looks of it the plane was hired in the UK rather than in France, maybe even provided by the club Apparently Cardiff's owners say it wasn't their plane but they may have paid a company to hire/use it . Either way, the buck stops with those who are responsible for checking the vehicle was safe to fly in, especially if there were concerns raised after a recent flight anyway. That is, of course, if there was anything actually wrong with the plane - as has been stated it may have just struggled with really, really bad conditions and malfunctioned as a result, in which case any checks done on the plane beforehand wouldn't have mattered anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserker Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Just now, Stan said: Apparently Cardiff's owners say it wasn't their plane but they may have paid a company to hire/use it . Either way, the buck stops with those who are responsible for checking the vehicle was safe to fly in, especially if there were concerns raised after a recent flight anyway. That is, of course, if there was anything actually wrong with the plane - as has been stated it may have just struggled with really, really bad conditions and malfunctioned as a result, in which case any checks done on the plane beforehand wouldn't have mattered anyway. Checks only verify that the plane is in working order and has no imminent causes to fail, pretty much like if you take your car to a mechanic before a long trip to perform a general check. But they won't stop you from rising if the actual design of the plane is flawed to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Berserker said: Checks only verify that the plane is in working order and has no imminent causes to fail, pretty much like if you take your car to a mechanic before a long trip to perform a general check. But they won't stop you from rising if the actual design of the plane is flawed to begin with. Yes but the maintenance regimes of the two things are set with critically in mind. In a car it is a breakdown and tow job and in a plane it could mean fatality. Therefore the level of maintenance and condition monitoring checks being done is much much higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 These manual searches you'd hope are being heavily assisted by satellites and government technology. It never seems to be revealed but it would be interesting to know how helpful it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserker Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Harry said: Yes but the maintenance regimes of the two things are set with critically in mind. In a car it is a breakdown and tow job and in a plane it could mean fatality. Therefore the level of maintenance and condition monitoring checks being done is much much higher. Yes but the point is that they're general checks to determine whether the vehicle is apt to operate as it was intended, but they won't care if they actual design is flawed from the get-go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 With the strong current, I wonder what the odds are that he’s ever found. They never found that Malaysia Airlines flight (or did they I stopped paying attention - but if they did it took them a long time). I imagine it’d be harder to find just 2 people and/or a small aircraft. Those small, single engine, propelled planes are so dangerous though. It was a mental decision to have him fly out in one through a storm. I agree with @Berserker here - these planes are too dangerous to be used for commercial purposes. From what I understand they’ve got value in teaching people how to fly planes... but I think that should probably be the extent of their use nowadays. Seems like a very needless risk to take with peoples lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserker Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Stan said: Actually disregard what i said, i heard the interview of the guy quoted on that tweet but he was wrong and the quote was actually correct as i now heard the actual audio and it's terrific. Emiliano says Quote "The plane looks like it's going to fall apart, if in an hour and half you don't have news from me i don't know if they will send someone to search for me because they won't find me, you know, good lord i'm terrified." It's like he knew for real, an exact premonition (he was calm and joking with his friends, not in distress yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 22, 2019 Administrator Share Posted January 22, 2019 Yeah that's horrible to read, to be honest. Almost as if he knew his fate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Pyfish+ Posted January 22, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 22, 2019 Oh man, that's the worst! To know your fate like that must be so damn terrifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 That's fucking sick. I don't personally get anxiety over flying but in that particular scenario I don't think anyone can imagine the torture of proceeding with something you're so uncomfortable about and then having your worst fears be realised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Dan said: I don't want to make it all about what happened to us but there are some similarities about it all. It's hit the point for me now where I think there has to be the realistic, but ultimately horrible acceptance that they're probably dead. The lack of news is concerning and it was similar with Vichai, it went on for so long without anything that you thought they're just preparing for that inevitable statement. It's horrible for everyone involved, and I know it's not really the time but I wonder what will actually come from this as a result - do Cardiff still pay the fee etc... Can’t agree about the similarities. There really aren’t many more than a person from a football club has been in an air related incident. Leicester’s there was evidence. The blacked out shell of the helicopter was in a car park, whereas, currently, there’s no remains found yet from this incident. A crash in water is vastly different and the lack of news will be likely because there’s genuinely no news, unlike the Leicester crash, where it was pretty apparent almost instantly what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 The poor blokes dad has been relying on the media for updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Why were they travelling in that manner anyway? Speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 35 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: With the strong current, I wonder what the odds are that he’s ever found. They never found that Malaysia Airlines flight (or did they I stopped paying attention - but if they did it took them a long time). I imagine it’d be harder to find just 2 people and/or a small aircraft. Those small, single engine, propelled planes are so dangerous though. It was a mental decision to have him fly out in one through a storm. I agree with @Berserker here - these planes are too dangerous to be used for commercial purposes. From what I understand they’ve got value in teaching people how to fly planes... but I think that should probably be the extent of their use nowadays. Seems like a very needless risk to take with peoples lives. They never found mh370. It seems like it should be easy to find thin beds in water in these situations but the Indian ocean is comparable to the size of all the land on earth combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I'd be careful of believing all this last 'text' drama a lot of grief mongers among us unfortunately.. Let's just wait and see the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserker Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, The Artful Dodger said: I'd be careful of believing all this last 'text' drama a lot of grief mongers among us unfortunately.. Let's just wait and see the truth. Unless someone is impersonating him and has such a similar voice to be able to fool his friends, it's what he actually said, i'm not implying they were his last ever words by any chance, just that it was what he said on the plane. Here's the audio: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, Harry said: They never found mh370. It seems like it should be easy to find thin beds in water in these situations but the Indian ocean is comparable to the size of all the land on earth combined. Theoretically couldn’t the current have dragged them out into the Atlantic though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Theoretically aliens could be probing him as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Shocking new footage has come to light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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