Will Arsenal Get Relegated This Season?

[Panna King]

9 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Even in your shit years you’ve had it better than most clubs in the country, so there is that.

I think the reality is the Arsenal squad is probably somewhere in between as good as some people out there think this Arsenal squad is, and as bad as I think this squad is. But there is definitely a bit of a mentality issue in the squad and you’ll never have sustained success with a squad that doesn’t have enough leaders in it.

Imo having the right mentality matters almost as much as having the right amount of quality.

I also think it was a mistake to hire Arteta. I always thought it was a huge risk because I think it’s a big rebuild for any manager. But someone with experience at this level and who these players will respect a bit better. Being a top assistant doesn’t mean you’ll be a top manager. I think he’s got a lot to learn and Arsenal are too big a club to be learning on the job.

I also think big questions need to be asked of Edu at DoF. He’s spent a lot of money and made many questionable decisions. Kia Joorabchian and his clients probably love Edu in his role... but I think Arsenal fans might be a bit tired of the shit he’s done in charge.

But you’ve still had it better than most fans in the country. And Europe. And probably the world tbh.

Arsenal has been very badly run for many years, it was just all hidden away because of the clubs FA Cup Wins. Arsenal under Wenger also had the same problems with players on big contracts who were not good enough to play at the club, they just sat around in the reserves until their contracts finished.   Behind the scenes also has been a shambles for about 10 years, Since Arsenal have had this Stadium built and now its like they do not know where to go. 

They need some real football people working who can make big decisions as the people who are making these decisions are clearly clueless, they appointed Raul Sanllehi, who had been sacked from Barcelona for the Dembele Deal and now he has been sacked at Arsenal for the Pepe deal.  He took full advantage of the naivety of the Arsenal board, parting with huge amounts of money as well as taking 10 million for himself out of the deal.  There is no structure at all in this club, so many people are getting moved on after a year, also with the 50 scouts recently made redundant just makes me think even more so, they going to take advice from Football agents now like Kia Joorabchian.   Edu needs to be sacked as well, yes he bought in Martinelli but he has been part of some awful deals like Luiz, Cedric, William and played a part in the Pepe deal, he has no knowledge of working in that role in European football.         

[Panna King]

49 minutes ago, shut up said:

Yep. That's my biggest issue with Arteta. If he was changing it up every week i would have sympathy. I think he's a quite thick. Xhaka is worse than AMN  Ceballos and Willock. Bellerin is also a poorer RB than AMN. Criminal that these players are still getting games.

Always the same subsites also, he has no real tactics. 

[The Artful Dodger]

Willian strikes me as a good player in a well functioning system, sides built by meticulous perfectionists like Conte and Mourinho suited him. He's not outrageously talented but will do a good job in a side like that. In a generally poor side, he's going to drop to the level of everyone else. He is also knocking on a bit now, on a free you can't say it's an awful deal but it's not looking particularly shrewd so far.

[Storts]

Poch wouldn’t go to Arsenal because it’s a very unappealing proposition. He wouldn’t be given the time needed for his ‘project’. Just look at Arteta now. Not to mention the Spurs links on top which would definitely play a part in not wanting to sour relations. 

Poch wants 1 of 3 of jobs, PSG, Real Madrid, Manchester United. 
 

 

[Storts]

14 hours ago, shut up said:

Exactly this. Sol Campbell, an academy graduate and their captain moved across to us, Poch won't give a fuck. He doesn't even have this great connection with the club like people make out. He's not a former player or anything, and let's not forget they sacked him after he got them to a UCL final.

Completely different eras though. Can’t compare. And Sol Campbell is an awful human being.

[Cicero]

It'll be Allegri if anyone. It's the smartest move. Think he could do a job with the players they currently have and won't moan over transfers like Conte. 

 

[Storts]

20 minutes ago, shut up said:

The only reason Poch wouldn't move to Arsenal is if he didn't think the job was worth taking, or he had a better offer. Nothing to do with spurs. 

 

Keep telling yourself that. 
 

As I said though. It’s not appealing to someone like him at all, other than convenience of London. Wouldn’t get the time, doesn’t have the type of players he likes, and an awful fanbase. Doesn’t really tick many boxes 

[Honey Honey]

What has happened is completely unexpected. I mean who would have thought of all the clubs it would be Arsenal whose fans were a 12th man at home. Sheffield United and Burnley I understand why COVID might relegate them, but Arsenal? Mental. Just goes to show that for years they were riding on that stadium and if they were still at Highbury they'd probably be playing the likes of Sunderland and Fleetwood Town right now.

Discuss.

[Stan]

2 hours ago, Storts said:

Poch wouldn’t go to Arsenal because it’s a very unappealing proposition. He wouldn’t be given the time needed for his ‘project’. Just look at Arteta now. Not to mention the Spurs links on top which would definitely play a part in not wanting to sour relations. 

Poch wants 1 of 3 of jobs, PSG, Real Madrid, Manchester United. 
 

Which one do you think he'll go to? Reckon he's holding out for Man Utd to push Ole?

 

2 hours ago, shut up said:

The only reason Poch wouldn't move to Arsenal is if he didn't think the job was worth taking, or he had a better offer. Nothing to do with spurs. 

 

Think there's a lot to do with Spurs. I remember @Storts post the day after Poch left and pretty sure it'd be the majority of Spurs fans that felt similarly. So blatant to see the affection and affinity there. Okay Arsenal might not be 100% out of the question but it's still ridiculously slim for all the reasons listed above, Arsenal just aren't the attractive proposition (barring money and location) for Pochettino surely. Toxic place to be you'd think compared to other options. 

[Azeem]

If any of the big six get relegated they'll just relegate the rest next season and make the Championship the top tier.

[JoshBRFC+]

Arteta is a talented but inexperienced manager. Given the time he will turn this round. 

[Rick]

Arsenal are still a massively attractive club for manager, not that I think Poch is going there. Allegri is their best bet. 

[6666]

Pochettino isn't a realistic option and I don't think he's that great either. Allegri would be great but that's also unrealistic. Not sure who we'd be able to get. It'd have to be someone who's doing well at a smaller club who's ready to step up rather than a proven manager at the top level.

[Rick]

1 minute ago, 6666 said:

Pochettino isn't a realistic option and I don't think he's that great either. Allegri would be great but that's also unrealistic. Not sure who we'd be able to get. It'd have to be someone who's doing well at a smaller club who's ready to step up rather than a proven manager at the top level.

Would you take Rodgers?

[The Artful Dodger]

Rodgers is very upwardly mobile, he will definitely go to a bigger club when the time is right. Could see it happening. 

[Rucksackfranzose]

3 hours ago, Stan said:

Which one do you think he'll go to? Reckon he's holding out for Man Utd to push Ole?

 

Think there's a lot to do with Spurs. I remember @Storts post the day after Poch left and pretty sure it'd be the majority of Spurs fans that felt similarly. So blatant to see the affection and affinity there. Okay Arsenal might not be 100% out of the question but it's still ridiculously slim for all the reasons listed above, Arsenal just aren't the attractive proposition (barring money and location) for Pochettino surely. Toxic place to be you'd think compared to other options. 

Genuine question: Why do you suppose him to be loyal towards a club that sacked him? Loyalty isn't an one way road in my opinion and I gave a flying fart for the feelings of the club that sacked me after reaching the CL final or their fans, if I were him?

[Stan]

1 hour ago, shut up said:

We're one of the biggest clubs in the country and comfortably the biggest in London 

Don't kid yourself 

Means fuck all when you're languishing near relegation. 

Don't flatter yourself. 

23 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

Genuine question: Why do you suppose him to be loyal towards a club that sacked him? Loyalty isn't an one way road in my opinion and I gave a flying fart for the feelings of the club that sacked me after reaching the CL final or their fans, if I were him?

Because of all that he achieved there and in that time, the affinity he made with their fans. That'd all go to shit if he went to Arsenal, let alone when they are so shite these days. 

[Stan]

Just now, shut up said:

It doesn't mean fuck all though does it ya dweeb. It means a lot in football.

For example, Rodgers would manage us in a heartbeat

Yet he didn't leave us for you this time last year

Who's heartbeat we going on? Barbara Windsor's? 

[6666]

1 hour ago, Rick said:

Would you take Rodgers?

Rodgers is in too good of a position at Leicester to go into a massive rebuilding job. If Leicester were just doing well out of nowhere and it was unlikely that they'd stay at this level beyond this season, then I could see it but as it stands now, I think it's a hard get. Hasenhuttl could be an interesting option but he did just sign a new contract this year.

Most likely is a manager that's currently not managing in the Premier League. Maybe Tuchel whenever PSG decide to sack him.

[Stan]

Just now, 6666 said:

Rodgers is in too good of a position at Leicester to go into a massive rebuilding job. If Leicester were just doing well out of nowhere and it was unlikely that they'd stay at this level beyond this season, then I could see it but as it stands now, I think it's a hard get. Hasenhuttl could be an interesting option but he did just sign a new contract this year.

Most likely is a manager that's currently not managing in the Premier League. Maybe Tuchel whenever PSG decide to sack him.

Rodgers signed a new contract as well after the Arsenal interest last season. 

Apparently a £20m buyout so in addition to the above valid reasons you state, it'd cost a huge amount to get him, on top of the costs of sacking Arteta? 

[Panna King]

Has he gone yet? 

[Lucas]

Big Sam picked the wrong club.

[Panna King]

On 15/12/2020 at 18:09, JoshBRFC said:

Arteta is a talented but inexperienced manager. Given the time he will turn this round. 

Cant see him turning it round with the shite around the team.  He has also added to it as well.

[CaaC (John)+]

2 minutes ago, Panna King said:

Cant see him turning it round with the shite around the team.  He has also added to it as well.

Can't see the board letting him slip into the relegation zone either, United and Ole survived when things looked bleak but he has the experienced Mike Phelan beside him plus they both worked with SAF who is still hanging around OT for a shoulder for Ole to cry on, I don't think Wenger hangs around the Emirates like Fergie at OT.

Wenger has said before about the old ground, Highbury Although Highbury as a football stadium is now gone, Highbury Square has ensured that our old home will never be forgotten.” Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger said: “Coming back to Highbury has filled me with so many great memories of our time here". He might have bought a flat there in the square for holiday purposes.

[Panna King]

6 minutes ago, CaaC (John) said:

Can't see the board letting him slip into the relegation zone either, United and Ole survived when things looked bleak but he has the experienced Mike Phelan beside him plus they both worked with SAF who is still hanging around OT for a shoulder for Ole to cry on, I don't think Wenger hangs around the Emirates like Fergie at OT.

Wenger has said before about the old ground, Highbury Although Highbury as a football stadium is now gone, Highbury Square has ensured that our old home will never be forgotten.” Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger said: “Coming back to Highbury has filled me with so many great memories of our time here". He might have bought a flat there in the square for holiday purposes.

Wenger needs to stay clear from the club, its his fault that Arteta cant shift the shite out of the club until their contracts run out. Weather or not if Arteta is given time once these players are out of the squad also if the club want to give Arteta money or have any trust in Edu in doing anymore deals.  The whole club is a mess and has been for years.