Steven Gerrard Hired by Aston Villa

[Inverted]

I think there are cases where a club is plainly not heading anywhere quickly in either direction and moving mid-season can be no big deal. 

But yeah it is quite poor to leave (with your whole staff) when your team is still very actively competing in several competitions and is only marginally ahead in the league, like with Rodgers or Gerrard.

[Rick]

3 minutes ago, Spike said:

Nah you don’t get it. This a bad precedent, if they fuck off from one club at a moment’s notice they’ll do it to you. There is no integrity

Oh no I completely agree. I hate managers bailing on clubs pre-season

[LFCMike]

3 minutes ago, Spike said:

Nah you don’t get it. This a bad precedent, if they fuck off from one club at a moment’s notice they’ll do it to you. There is no integrity

That's how managerial appointments and transfers work for the large majority of people in football, sad but true. Each job is a stepping stone to better things for most. I don't blame managers for being this ruthless when it comes to jumping ship so quickly because they know a bad run and their club will more than likely get rid anyway.

[Honey Honey]

Surprised there isn't more outrage to be honest. Gerrard has no playing or managing experience of a relegation battle, Steve Bruce or Sam Allardyce should have been given a 6 month contract

[Spike]

4 hours ago, LFCMike said:

Gerrard knows a bad run with Rangers could see the opportunity of a PL job pass him by. More likely to get a job he wants mid season than of he waits until the summer.

Nah he already has a league trophy and has set many records in Scotland. Not to mention he is a name brand, if Tim bloody Sherwood can get two jobs in a row having done f-all why wouldn't Gerrard? Football is an old boys club that scum like has have no part in, once you're in you're in, if you're out you're out.  Gerrard is in, and would be more in than most other players because he has a personality cult. It's why you rarely see people like Jose Mourinho and Andre Villas-Boas come up with no professional playing experience.

[Reluctant Striker]

5 hours ago, Honey Honey said:

Surprised there isn't more outrage to be honest. Gerrard has no playing or managing experience of a relegation battle, Steve Bruce or Sam Allardyce should have been given a 6 month contract

Villa were so bad when Bruce was with them, he didn't seem too bad. And he has sounded a bit resentful he didn't get to spend like Dean Smith did.

[Smiley Culture]

5 hours ago, LFCMike said:

Gerrard knows a bad run with Rangers could see the opportunity of a PL job pass him by. More likely to get a job he wants mid season than of he waits until the summer.

When’s that likely to happen? Gerrard was part of a 38 point swing from one season to the next at Rangers and while it can’t be understated the role he has had in that, it can’t be understated how far Celtic are from Rangers at present.

Rangers have their 56th title sewn up this season and while last season was very much “stop ten in a row”, I think he was, or at least, should have been, under more pressure this time around based on their performance last season, how far Celtic are behind them, the added weight of attention he’s getting and the fact Callum Davidson, a bloke managing a team on a budget of one of those 39p energy drinks you see smackheads drinking, won one more trophy than he did last season. 

I think he should have stayed at Rangers to at least the seasons end. There’s no way he doesn’t get a Premier League job in six months time (at the earliest) and would go into it as a back-to-back League winning manager, quite possibly with a couple of pots won for good measure. 

I don’t think Villa are the right club, but then again there really aren’t many “right clubs” in the Premier League, they’re largely as morally bankrupt and dislikable as the next, at the minute. Villa have sacked someone who only won 11 of their 34 games this calendar year, despite a fairly big overhaul of the squad, which saw a generational talent depart and a handful of players, some who have a history of injuries and have missed games so far this season through injury, replace him. The board appear out of touch IMO, whereas at Rangers, where the weight of expectation dwarves that of Villa’s, their goals are at least realistic. 

[Tommy]

11 hours ago, LFCMike said:

 

Is that @Rab?

[Reluctant Striker]

16 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said:

When’s that likely to happen? Gerrard was part of a 38 point swing from one season to the next at Rangers and while it can’t be understated the role he has had in that, it can’t be understated how far Celtic are from Rangers at present.

Rangers have their 56th title sewn up this season and while last season was very much “stop ten in a row”, I think he was, or at least, should have been, under more pressure this time around based on their performance last season, how far Celtic are behind them, the added weight of attention he’s getting and the fact Callum Davidson, a bloke managing a team on a budget of one of those 39p energy drinks you see smackheads drinking, won one more trophy than he did last season. 

I think he should have stayed at Rangers to at least the seasons end. There’s no way he doesn’t get a Premier League job in six months time (at the earliest) and would go into it as a back-to-back League winning manager, quite possibly with a couple of pots won for good measure. 

I don’t think Villa are the right club, but then again there really aren’t many “right clubs” in the Premier League, they’re largely as morally bankrupt and dislikable as the next, at the minute. Villa have sacked someone who only won 11 of their 34 games this calendar year, despite a fairly big overhaul of the squad, which saw a generational talent depart and a handful of players, some who have a history of injuries and have missed games so far this season through injury, replace him. The board appear out of touch IMO, whereas at Rangers, where the weight of expectation dwarves that of Villa’s, their goals are at least realistic. 

You do sound like you expect Villa's place to be bottom half. Fair enough. They have been there or the Championship over a decade, since not bothering to replace an exodus of Milner, Young, Barry & Downing.

But people within the club are now trying to get it back to top 5 finishes & league cup wins, like the mid 90's.

Go back just a little further they were runners up to Liverpool's most recent non-Klopp title win. And Man United's first Fergie title.

And then they did win a big Euro pot before football became a globalised, financial mud bath.

So just as Liverpool had their mission. Villa do have theirs. It may well not quite ever get to Chelsea or Man City levels.. but Dean Smith was not knee jerk. Yes, there was 7-2 over Liverpool. But also 1-6 to Man City. Conceding 4 at home to multiple sides. Multi millions pumped in by the owners, with Dean Smith's squad all around him.

[Smiley Culture]

1 minute ago, Reluctant Striker said:

You do sound like you expect Villa's place to be bottom half. Fair enough. They have been there or the Championship over a decade, since not bothering to replace an exodus of Milner, Young, Barry & Downing.

But people within the club are now trying to get it back to top 5 finishes & league cup wins, like the mid 90's.

Go back just a little further they were runners up to Liverpool's most recent non-Klopp title win. And Man United's first Fergie title.

And then they did win a big Euro pot before football became a globalised, financial mud bath.

So just as Liverpool had their mission. Villa do have theirs. It may well not quite ever get to Chelsea or Man City levels.. but Dean Smith was not knee jerk. Yes, there was 7-2 over Liverpool. But also 1-6 to Man City. Conceding 4 at home to multiple sides. Multi millions pumped in by the owners, with Dean Smith's squad all around him.

Villa have no god given right to be a top half side because they’ve spaffed some money this summer (who hasn’t? It’s the Premier League, they’re not that rich and pretty much everyone does £50m a summer) and it’s daft, IMO, to think that way. Let’s be honest, the top ten is, what, two maybe three spaces these days. Arsenal, Chelsea, Leicester Liverpool, United, City and Tottenham are guaranteed a top half finish, that leaves three spaces with West Ham being in their best form for a generation, Everton who have been a top half side for all but eight seasons this century, Wolves who typically recruit well and then your Palace’s, Brighton’s, Leeds’ and Southampton’s, a category Villa fall into, who are lightyears behind the top seven, can have a good year if a multitude of things work in their favour but realistically, they’re slowly building. 

The whole 90’s and Villa won a cup when a house cost 17p and everyone up north worked in a hole in the ground is meaningless guff that these owners churn out to sell “dreams” to fans when the reality is far different.

Villa are in their third season back in the Premier League after being under the guide of a man who sounds like he should be a cheap pornstar, Randy Lerner and then Dr Tony Xia, which left them in a hole, financially and as a club; in the Championship. 17th and 11th shows vast improvement under Smith and as a football club generally, with the added bonus of £100m, whether in one lump sum or broken down via clauses and bonuses, from the Grealish sale. They’ve then (re)invested and brought in a handful of players, many of whom have already missed some of the eleven fixtures Villa have played in the league. Players and teams don’t typically gel that quickly, certainly not clubs like Villa, certainly not when they’re then suffering from injuries themselves. Another year of consolidation anywhere between 11th-15th would be a relatively successful season at Villa, all things considered.

The “mission” as you call it, to me, is unrealistic and most likely, unachievable through a multitude of factors internally and externally and Gerrard taking that job when he had a comfortable and stable job at Rangers, where their “mission” was far more realistic and achievable is quite the risk to take at this time, IMO. 

[Reluctant Striker]

14 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said:

Villa have no god given right to be a top half side because they’ve spaffed some money this summer (who hasn’t? It’s the Premier League, they’re not that rich and pretty much everyone does £50m a summer) and it’s daft, IMO, to think that way. Let’s be honest, the top ten is, what, two maybe three spaces these days. Arsenal, Chelsea, Leicester Liverpool, United, City and Tottenham are guaranteed a top half finish, that leaves three spaces with West Ham being in their best form for a generation, Everton who have been a top half side for all but eight seasons this century, Wolves who typically recruit well and then your Palace’s, Brighton’s, Leeds’ and Southampton’s, a category Villa fall into, who are lightyears behind the top seven, can have a good year if a multitude of things work in their favour but realistically, they’re slowly building. 

The whole 90’s and Villa won a cup when a house cost 17p and everyone up north worked in a hole in the ground is meaningless guff that these owners churn out to sell “dreams” to fans when the reality is far different.

Villa are in their third season back in the Premier League after being under the guide of a man who sounds like he should be a cheap pornstar, Randy Lerner and then Dr Tony Xia, which left them in a hole, financially and as a club; in the Championship. 17th and 11th shows vast improvement under Smith and as a football club generally, with the added bonus of £100m, whether in one lump sum or broken down via clauses and bonuses, from the Grealish sale. They’ve then (re)invested and brought in a handful of players, many of whom have already missed some of the eleven fixtures Villa have played in the league. Players and teams don’t typically gel that quickly, certainly not clubs like Villa, certainly not when they’re then suffering from injuries themselves. Another year of consolidation anywhere between 11th-15th would be a relatively successful season at Villa, all things considered.

The “mission” as you call it, to me, is unrealistic and most likely, unachievable through a multitude of factors internally and externally and Gerrard taking that job when he had a comfortable and stable job at Rangers, where their “mission” was far more realistic and achievable is quite the risk to take at this time, IMO. 

And the scenario, you are the owner, of any club, with more to spend than your nearest rivals.

You've backed 1 man for several years.

Options are:

A) Move onto a new manager

B) Accept your place in the hierarchy

C) Keep spending on the current manager

Nothing you've contributed seems to want anything other than B, so not sure I can constructively discuss much more.. C is hard rational sense.?

[Smiley Culture]

7 hours ago, Reluctant Striker said:

And the scenario, you are the owner, of any club, with more to spend than your nearest rivals.

You've backed 1 man for several years.

Options are:

A) Move onto a new manager

B) Accept your place in the hierarchy

C) Keep spending on the current manager

Nothing you've contributed seems to want anything other than B, so not sure I can constructively discuss much more.. C is hard rational sense.?

D) Give the bloke more time.

Seeing as he’s earned it through promotion, survival and consolidation, players needing time to settle, injuries this season and a run where, realistically, Villa aren’t expected to pick up too many points, time was, IMO at least, the right option. 

Everything I’ve said is realistic and fair. Ambition is all well and good but it needs to be realistic and achievable and in the short term at least, I don’t necessarily think it is. That’s not settling or accepting your place, either. 

[Rab]

12 hours ago, Smiley Culture said:

Rangers have their 56th title sewn up this season

Sorry, how is a 4 point lead this early in a season ahead of our hardest run of games still to come, while still conceding the first goal every game a sewn up season?

Adding to the fact everyone was expecting Gerrard to do something in a cup this year and he leaves when our next game is a cup game.

He's shat it big time.

[Waylander]

No I just think he showed his true colours, he wants to manage in England and a decent club were interested.

Didn't Rogers do something similar with Celtic when he went to Leicester. 

 

[Rab]

12 minutes ago, Waylander said:

No I just think he showed his true colours, he wants to manage in England and a decent club were interested.

Didn't Rogers do something similar with Celtic when he went to Leicester. 

 

To be fair to Rodgers, he had won everything there had to be won so he'd just be staying to do more of the same.

Gerrard won the league but lost every cup competition we were part of.

Still cunty behaviour leaving mid season though regardless.

[Waylander]

7 minutes ago, Rab said:

To be fair to Rodgers, he had won everything there had to be won so he'd just be staying to do more of the same.

Gerrard won the league but lost every cup competition we were part of.

Still cunty behaviour leaving mid season though regardless.

Right I see the difference, fair enough.

[Honey Honey]

What we saying here, that Gerrard has "slipped" up?

[Rab]

11 minutes ago, Honey Honey said:

What we saying here, that Gerrard has "slipped" up?

Slimey g.

[Danny]

Genuinely mental people think a manager shouldn't leave a club mid-season, especially when a Premier League side with money in the bank and a talented side come knocking. Look at Rodgers moving to Leicester, he's won the FA Cup and been inches away in both seasons from finishing top 4. When Pep Guardiola leaves City, Rodgers will be one of the top names to replace him. That is because a. they like him as a manager and b. he's doing it in one of the biggest leagues in the world.

Gerrard has taken Rangers from a poor side to a league winning side, that in of itself is a massive achievement and you simply don't stick around to try and win a domestic cup or have another run in the Europa when a side like Villa come in for you. Villa will with team should be competing around the Europa League spots. If they do that and overachieve in a season or two then that put's him in contention for a bigger job in the Prem or Europe.

At no point does managing Rangers get him a direct move to Liverpool, his ultimate goal. He has to prove himself in the Prem and this is a great opportunity.

[LFCMadLad]

Villa wouldn't have waited 6 months for him to finish the season at Rangers, so that would have been a chance missed. 

Who else with Villa's calibre of squad and resources would have come in for Gerrard next season  had he turned Villa down?

I just think circumstances forced his hand to be honest, however unfortunate that is for Rangers. I certainly don't think it's Gerrard 'bottling it' as made out. He's took on a much bigger challenge now in my opinion.

 

[Cicero]

Scottish Premiership is 9th in Europe's coefficients. 

Gerrard made a smart move here as many has alluded to, he needs to prove himself in the Premier League before even being muttered for the Liverpool job post Klopp. 

[Danny]

13 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said:

Villa wouldn't have waited 6 months for him to finish the season at Rangers, so that would have been a chance missed. 

Who else with Villa's calibre of squad and resources would have come in for Gerrard next season  had he turned Villa down?

I just think circumstances forced his hand to be honest, however unfortunate that is for Rangers. I certainly don't think it's Gerrard 'bottling it' as made out. He's took on a much bigger challenge now in my opinion.

 

Yeah the bigger picture for him is managing Liverpool and so the challenge is getting into a tougher job which at this point the Villa job will be. Because to manage Liverpool he will need to overachieve in the way Rodgers has done.

I do think there would have been some merit to staying and competing with Celtic though, they had a slow start to the season however are really finding form and their style of play is coming together. I think Celtic would have won the SPL this season regardless of Gerrard being there.

Will be interesting to see what happens to some of those players in January.

[Guest]

Will be interesting to see how much Carragher criticises Gerrard if things are going wrong. Neville has been accused of not criticising Ole however he doesnt tend to criticize managers that much anyway he tends to criticise players more. However Carragher is a know it all who always criticises managers so will be interesting to see how he treats Gerrard 

[Rab]

16 minutes ago, Danny said:

Genuinely mental people think a manager shouldn't leave a club mid-season, especially when a Premier League side with money in the bank and a talented side come knocking. Look at Rodgers moving to Leicester, he's won the FA Cup and been inches away in both seasons from finishing top 4. When Pep Guardiola leaves City, Rodgers will be one of the top names to replace him. That is because a. they like him as a manager and b. he's doing it in one of the biggest leagues in the world.

Gerrard has taken Rangers from a poor side to a league winning side, that in of itself is a massive achievement and you simply don't stick around to try and win a domestic cup or have another run in the Europa when a side like Villa come in for you. Villa will with team should be competing around the Europa League spots. If they do that and overachieve in a season or two then that put's him in contention for a bigger job in the Prem or Europe.

At no point does managing Rangers get him a direct move to Liverpool, his ultimate goal. He has to prove himself in the Prem and this is a great opportunity.

No one has said that managers shouldn't leave mid season. It's more of the way they do it.

Rodgers was always in the media saying certain things then does the opposite. Gerrard was always in the media saying certain things then does the opposite.

Gerrard was only interviewed like 2 weeks about his current position and said he was happy and settled, that it was a stupid question if he was open to a move elsewhere. He also didn't tell a single person he was going, not even the captain of the team.

It's cunty behaviour. If he was open and honest, I don't think I'd have an issue with it because it was always going to happen.

[Cicero]

2 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said:

Will be interesting to see how much Carragher criticises Gerrard if things are going wrong. Neville has been accused of not criticising Ole however he doesnt tend to criticize managers that much anyway he tends to criticise players more. However Carragher is a know it all who always criticises managers so will be interesting to see how he treats Gerrard 

It’ll be like Joe Cole with Lampard. 
 

Horrid.