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Liverpool 4-0 Man Utd - Tuesday 19th April, 2022

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Claret and Blue

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51 minutes ago, Stan said:

Quite surprised by those Fernandes comments. There's always something to play for. It's quite ignorant towards any fan that pays hard-earned money - especially in the current climate - to go watch their team whether in good or bad form. 

I find it quite disingenuous and rude, really. Just shows how much of their own little bubble they're in, and how out of touch they appear to be with the fans. 

Nothing to play for? There's everything to play for! Even if trophies aren't at stake, what about the pride, dignity, self-performance, your team mates?! 

It probably just typifies how low the club is at the moment really. 

Bruno interview I thought it was a robot reading off a script when watching it 

 

Zero passion. Didn't speak from the heart either no fks given. Couple of sound bites.. 

 

Give the wages to charity this week you wasters 

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1 hour ago, Stan said:

Quite surprised by those Fernandes comments. There's always something to play for. It's quite ignorant towards any fan that pays hard-earned money - especially in the current climate - to go watch their team whether in good or bad form. 

I find it quite disingenuous and rude, really. Just shows how much of their own little bubble they're in, and how out of touch they appear to be with the fans. 

Nothing to play for? There's everything to play for! Even if trophies aren't at stake, what about the pride, dignity, self-performance, your team mates?! 

It probably just typifies how low the club is at the moment really. 

An absolutely ignorant statement notwithstanding the current climate.  If nothing else, how about playing for the enormous wages that you're being paid?  Motivate yourself to go out there and give 100% because you're being paid millions to play a kid's game.  Fucking unreal.

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6 hours ago, Inverted said:

What I genuinely don’t understand is that Liverpool at their worst and United at their best did not seem like as big a gap as this does. 

When Liverpool were basically a mid-table side and United were winning league after league, it still felt competitive when they played. Now Liverpool are challenging for the league and United in the Europa spots, and it genuinely doesn’t feel like two sides from the same division playing each other.

We're in a different time for football that was kick started by Guardiola. His Barcelona team genuinely dominated teams in way we'd never seen before, dubbed by most as the greatest team to ever play the game. At the same time you had Klopp working at a much underfunded Dortmund and whilst his football there was extremely good and led to 2 titles and a Champions League final...they were just never backed financially in the way big clubs are and it showed.

You then have Klopp and Guardiola competing together in the same league and both brought something to England that had never been done at such a high level. For Guardiola it was possession play, for Klopp it's high intensity pressing. A while back I made a topic where everyone ranked the different big sides of the last few decades and the more I think about some of the statements I made there the more I think I was very wrong.

Individually the great Man Utd teams had world class players in abundance who could easily play in these Liverpool and City teams, and Alex Ferguson was a very adaptable manager who had the ability to change with the times and I don't doubt that he could compete with the current two managers given time to adapt. But ultimately Klopp and Guardiola, whilst pushing each other to the limit, have created teams who play within systems that are simply better than what we ever saw prior to Pep and Klopp coming to England. Klopp and Pep are major innovators within the game.

Watch a Premier League game back when United were at a peak with Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez. Looking back some of the football of the era seems so basic in comparison to what you see from Liverpool and City today. Times have changed and so you see a shit Man Utd team currently that have never really evolved from the type of football that was played pre-Pep & Klopp versus a Liverpool side that have innovated to at times what seems like perfection.

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12 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

What I don't understand about the United players using that excuse is...

... Rangnick's not leaving the club, he's going to be advising the new manager. So he's still got some say in their futures.

If that's the 'manager uncertainty' excuse, that's just the players way of downing tools really and not giving a fuck. Rangnick of course will get a good chunk of the blame though.

11 hours ago, Cicero said:

Someone come get Garry Neville. 

What's he done or said?

11 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

 

Nothing to fight for? Not pride? Not your supporters?

I don't know why he's come out with this statement. Yes, it's obvious that United players don't really feel they have a reason on the pitch right now. But he's serious that he's telling everyone United players with no trophy on the line still can't motivate themselves to fight for their own personal pride or for their fans against their biggest, or one of their biggest, rivals... I think that's all the more reason for United fans to hate their current squad.

How can the fans be asked to spend their hard earned money to support players that don't give a shit?

If you're shit and you can't help it, that's one thing - but at least put in the fucking effort.

If Fernandes did say that, he needs to be fucked off in all honesty, as well as anyone else that thinks like that at Man U.

A few seasons ago, we had Alex Revell as one of our main strikers and he was clearly not Championship quality. However, he put a shift in at all times regardless. Same with Callum Paterson,  who was not a skilful player by any means but would run his bollocks off when he played.

Pathetic really.

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8 hours ago, Lucas said:

Best season in recent years still remains under Mourinho, a season in which he insisted the club needed to sign a 'World Class' centre back, didn't rate Rashford as a '9', questioned Martial's commitment, went head to head with Pogba etc.

You'd have to say despite the football being terrible under him, to get an 81pt season out of what he had then, a squad on paper much inferior, actually puts in perspective it wasn't such a horrendous job he did.

The club have wasted a good 3/4 years since his departure and are facing the same issues he highlighted then now, so what chance do you have of progression if the heirachy don't address these issues and hide under a rock.

A fair shout on Mourinho and what he was able to get out of that squad but I still think that he's a part of the problem when you look at the big picture. He may have been by far the best at papering over the cracks but if he'd been in charge from then on up until now, I think they'd be in better shape but I can't see that he'd have restored them to genuinely competing for titles again.

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Dr. Gonzo

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19 minutes ago, Stan said:

Not sure if true but he completed more take-ons than the Utd team in the first half.

I think I only remember just one in that first half. Were there more? Maybe? Must be, right - if that's true?

Having said that, United in that first half were just about one of the worst opponents I can remember us going up against in my lifetime. We were so good and they were so poor, so maybe it's just that they were so dominated and shit they didn't attempt a single one in that half? That doesn't sound right though xD... but tbh a United team turning up at Anfield with no fight in them whatsoever doesn't sound right.

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On 19/04/2022 at 23:02, RandoEFC said:

Embarrassing quote and the fact it comes from one of the players you'd probably choose if you were told "keep five, scrap the rest and build from there" is painful reading.

I would despise the cunts if I was a Man Utd fan. 

They're three points off of fourth as well and us and Arsenal have stumbled and have defeats in both of us. We've got Liverpool away and United have got Arsenal to play.

Who do these players think they are? Do they think they're actually too good for a fight for a Champions League place? I'm not even a United fan and it infuriates me. My dad is a United fan and I think he's so disgusted that he's beyond caring. Why should fans actually go and watch United when their attitude is like this? Full of utter entitlement and, with the exception of Hannibal Lecter or whatever his name is, no fight. 

Whatever the shortcomings of Spurs or Arsenal, I don't think you would ever see any current player on either team suggest that either side have nothing to play for at this stage. We were pretty recently challenging for the title too and Arsenal's fall from footballing grace was pretty close to the level of United's although it started earlier. 

Although United not doing well is good for the rest of us, a good part of me does want to see Ten Hag brutally and viciously tell these cretins that they aren't as good as they think are and cut the lot of them. But player power will probably in. They'll whine to their agents and that will be it, United will probably go through another manager.

 

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On 19/04/2022 at 21:52, Dr. Gonzo said:

What I don't understand about the United players using that excuse is...

... Rangnick's not leaving the club, he's going to be advising the new manager. So he's still got some say in their futures.

I like how now that we've put 4 past them, United seem to care a bit now. Not about playing football, but going in and making shit challenges because they've been embarassed on the pitch.

The new manager will get swallowed up if he upsets the little darlings and doesn't do exactly what they want, the marketing managers running the football side will panic that players who might improve the club won't trend on Twitter to attract the Fans of The Future and like all before him, he will go. They need several seasons outside the Champions League with no trophies before they even begin to react.

 

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