UK Politics & Brexit Discussion

[Fairy In Boots]

this is why I laugh, it’s what my kids do when I say no sweetie before dinner

[6666]

Still hilarious that "he should've been more vocally in favour of remain and more vocally against people that voted brexit" is still an argument being used against Corbyn. That tactic worked out brilliantly for Chuka Umunna and Jo Swinson didn't it...? Corbyn's more grown up approach probably didn't make him relatable to people staunchly on either side of Brexit but I'm definitely not going to say he was a bad choice for leader. Did well previously and was still the most popular choice when compared to alternatives.

Reality is, it didn't matter. Majority of the people that voted for Brexit, outside of certain cities, still wanted Brexit and the most realistic way they were going to get that in the way they want it was the bastard Tories. The nonsensical smear campaigns and biased coverage obviously didn't help either. The other fucker could say stupid shit and then just hide in a fridge.

The fact the future for Labour has to be them being more in favour of the establishment says it all really. Positive change is too much of a threat to the powerful and people are too easily manipulated by the low end press and the mainstream news.

[Danny]

4 hours ago, Fairy In Boots said:

oh Diddums. I’m sorry the left don’t get to play the victim, as an ideology broadly speaking the behaviour of most of them has been disgusting for years. It’s typically aggressive quick to pidgeon hole dissenting options and vile. I get your quite mild mannered but the wider support out in the world isn’t. Fuck them I laugh at twats crying because “the nhs is going to be privatised” that’s political suicide it won’t happen. We had 24 hours to save the NHS 2 years ago then 2 years before that when all the damage was done by New labour under Blair. 

Harbourne is part of the Edgbaston constituency that stayed Labour. Bournville is about 2 Miles from my house. Both Birmingham constituencies that flirted with conservatives last night Northfield and Erdington are the two white working class wards, total collapse of the vote for Corbyn. Also worth noting that both of these are what’s left of white working class Birmingham with increasing demographic change. 

Haha don’t care I’ve literally howled with laughter at dummy spitting by the likes of Lily Allen. Fuck her she’s a silly cunt and happy to put the boot in but obviously can’t take it

Just lol give your head a rattle digest the results take a deep breath and say out load “the British public saw corbyn for what he was a nasty little antisemite terrorist loving socialist cunt” and then maybe you will realise he’s toxic. 

lol I’m the nasty one absolutely no self awareness today it’s brilliant 

are you for real? 

You mean debate me, what a novel idea, maybe we should do such things on a forum?

Lol BBC bias is another funny one utterly mindless from some of them. 

I’ve accepted the result mate, unfortunately it is what it is and have to hope the Tories don’t make the country any worse

Ive not defended Corbyn’s anti-semitism at any point, just pointed out that Johnson and the Tories racism, anti-semitism and islamophobia is far worse. Not to mention their horrific view of Grenfell, it’s victims and those who support them. But people have their reasons for choosing the Tories either way.
 

I know you’re partly on a wind up which is why I’ll leave it there but the irony of you being a massive Islamophobe and referencing Corbyn’s toxicity through anti-semitism is irony of the finest order

[Fairy In Boots]

8 hours ago, Danny said:

I’ve accepted the result mate, unfortunately it is what it is and have to hope the Tories don’t make the country any worse

Ive not defended Corbyn’s anti-semitism at any point, just pointed out that Johnson and the Tories racism, anti-semitism and islamophobia is far worse. Not to mention their horrific view of Grenfell, it’s victims and those who support them. But people have their reasons for choosing the Tories either way.
 

I know you’re partly on a wind up which is why I’ll leave it there but the irony of you being a massive Islamophobe and referencing Corbyn’s toxicity through anti-semitism is irony of the finest order

yes but there’s a bit of a difference between me being a cunt on a forum and the leader of her majesty’s opposition. 

Also islam is the religious version of Marxism if you adopt it as a state you hit the reverse pedal. I’ve said many times it’s the ideology I’m fundamentally opposed to, the practitioners I view as brainwashed. Bit of a difference 

[Fairy In Boots]

Lol look at this

and people wonder why you have “shy Toryism” I genuinely Don’t think these people grasp they’re facists 

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

That’s not what fascism is...

[Dr. Gonzo]

Rees-Mogg May find himself less politically relevant soon, so that’s a silver lining.

[6666]

6 hours ago, Fairy In Boots said:

yes but there’s a bit of a difference between me being a cunt on a forum and the leader of her majesty’s opposition. 

Also islam is the religious version of Marxism if you adopt it as a state you hit the reverse pedal. I’ve said many times it’s the ideology I’m fundamentally opposed to, the practitioners I view as brainwashed. Bit of a difference 

"Every Muslim is brainwashed" isn't a bigoted point of view apparently... 

Also hilarious seeing right wingers pretend they all of a sudden care about Jews. Obviously not a case of Tory supporters only pretending to care in order to make sure the smear campaign goes to plan.

Fighters against bigotry and so "for the people" that they voted in an actually bigoted PM (which they probably love) that is in charge of a government that will fuck over people in the country (something which they don't realise isn't limited to the differenty ones).

[Fairy In Boots]

2 hours ago, 6666 said:

"Every Muslim is brainwashed" isn't a bigoted point of view apparently... 

Also hilarious seeing right wingers pretend they all of a sudden care about Jews. Obviously not a case of Tory supporters only pretending to care in order to make sure the smear campaign goes to plan.

Fighters against bigotry and so "for the people" that they voted in an actually bigoted PM (which they probably love) that is in charge of a government that will fuck over people in the country (something which they don't realise isn't limited to the differenty ones).

Lol a Muslim is a practitioner of faith. That faith like pretty much all faiths is bs, saying that it’s followers are brainwashed isn’t that bigoted. Look at the literacy rates in the Arab world it’s Litterally the very definition of brainwashing. 

Anyway lovely from the PM today “lefty tossers”

[Cicero]

Tbf, I think following any religion is being brainwashed. 

[6666]

8 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Lol a Muslim is a practitioner of faith. That faith like pretty much all faiths is bs, saying that it’s followers are brainwashed isn’t that bigoted. Look at the literacy rates in the Arab world it’s Litterally the very definition of brainwashing. 

Anyway lovely from the PM today “lefty tossers”

You don't seem to know what the word "bigoted" or the word "brainwashing" means... explains a lot. Especially the fact that you don't seem to know what "antisemitism" means either. Just repeat what you here from idiots in the moronic, right wing press. 

Interesting that you've gone from singling out Muslims in this situation and insulting Muslims on many occasions to now saying "No, I mean that about all religions" when you're pulled up on your hypocrisy.

Right wing logic though, doesn't have to make sense.

Edited December 14, 2019 by 6666

[RandoEFC+]

I know it wont make a lot of us happy to admit it but it wasn't just Brexit that led to this result. Most of the Labour > Conservative swingers in the North and Midlands have cited Corbyn as the reason for doing so, not the fact that they voted Leave.

For what it's worth, the policies weren't a massive issue for those who abandoned Labour from the opinion polls that have been run. The manifesto still has some legs if they get a less extreme leader. 

I think whoever takes over needs to make a big deal of rooting out all of the anti-semitism issues before going on the offence again.

Now, this map was interesting to me. I knew there was a major age divide when it came to our electorate but look at this:

I would have said Labour dominate the under 25s but not to the extent that the Tories wouldn't win a single seat. It's also not what I expected to see that the real difference comes post-50. I'd have said that cutoff was at about 40, below if anything.

[DeadLinesman]

2 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

I know it wont make a lot of us happy to admit it but it wasn't just Brexit that led to this result. Most of the Labour > Conservative swingers in the North and Midlands have cited Corbyn as the reason for doing so, not the fact that they voted Leave.

 

I hate to say I told you so. Not you or anyone specifically. Just that from reading various outlets and social media, there seemed to be 2 definitive themes of those that ended up voting conservative. That of Brexit and anyone but Corbyn. 

[RandoEFC+]

1 minute ago, DeadLinesman said:

I hate to say I told you so. Not you or anyone specifically. Just that from reading various outlets and social media, there seemed to be 2 definitive themes of those that ended up voting conservative. That of Brexit and anyone but Corbyn. 

I'm still trying to fathom which of those was the dominant factor. If you look at the votes, a lot more people left Labour for Brexit Party than Conservative, so that suggests Brexit, but the interviews, phone ins and polls suggest a lot of Leave voters would still have voted Labour but didn't feel that they could because of Corbyn.

[DeadLinesman]

1 minute ago, RandoEFC said:

I'm still trying to fathom which of those was the dominant factor. If you look at the votes, a lot more people left Labour for Brexit Party than Conservative, so that suggests Brexit, but the interviews, phone ins and polls suggest a lot of Leave voters would still have voted Labour but didn't feel that they could because of Corbyn.

I genuinely think it’s a 50/50. However, not voting because of a leader, particularly when you’re a staunch supporter is damning in the extreme.

[RandoEFC+]

3 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said:

I genuinely think it’s a 50/50. However, not voting because of a leader, particularly when you’re a staunch supporter is damning in the extreme.

Yeah, in a way it doesn't matter as neither Corbyn nor impending Brexit will be a factor at the next one.

I long for a proportional system anyway. Green > Labour.

[The Artful Dodger]

1 hour ago, Fairy In Boots said:

 

Anyway lovely from the PM today “lefty tossers”

You really do believe everything you read on twitter, don't you? That's from 2012. Come on. 

[CaaC (John)+]

 

[Michael]

3 hours ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Lol a Muslim is a practitioner of faith. That faith like pretty much all faiths is bs, saying that it’s followers are brainwashed isn’t that bigoted. Look at the literacy rates in the Arab world it’s Litterally the very definition of brainwashing. 

Anyway lovely from the PM today “lefty tossers”

"All faiths are bs", that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, I myself am not convinced of any particular religion. But to say that all followers of faiths are brainwashed is a totally misinformed thing to say. Believe you me, there are many highly educated and highly intelligent people that are religious. To claim that they are brainwashed is just narrow minded and quite frankly, very silly.

As far as I am aware, the literacy rates in the Arab world as a whole, are not that bad, they are better on the whole than many other parts of the world. It's bad in a few Arab countries, but it's excellent in other Arab countries. In anycase, if it's Islam that you are having a dig at here, the Arab countries only make up around 20% of the muslims worldwide. There are highly educated practicing Christians, Muslims and Jews around the world, to claim that they are all brainwashed is stupid.

Are people like Peter Hitchens brainwashed in your opinion? 

Edited December 14, 2019 by Michael

[6666]

Bernie Sanders is now being accused of antisemitism. Worked against Corbyn so obviously it's going to work against a Jewish man... 

[Michael]

3 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

I know it wont make a lot of us happy to admit it but it wasn't just Brexit that led to this result. Most of the Labour > Conservative swingers in the North and Midlands have cited Corbyn as the reason for doing so, not the fact that they voted Leave.

For what it's worth, the policies weren't a massive issue for those who abandoned Labour from the opinion polls that have been run. The manifesto still has some legs if they get a less extreme leader. 

I think whoever takes over needs to make a big deal of rooting out all of the anti-semitism issues before going on the offence again.

Now, this map was interesting to me. I knew there was a major age divide when it came to our electorate but look at this:

I would have said Labour dominate the under 25s but not to the extent that the Tories wouldn't win a single seat. It's also not what I expected to see that the real difference comes post-50. I'd have said that cutoff was at about 40, below if anything.

Wow, this map says it all really. There is a huge divide in opinion between the young people and the older people of this country. If this map is accurate, then it is very revealing and very telling as to the mindset of the age demographics in this country. I was aware that a lot of the older generation voted for the Tories(my nan being one of them), but I didn't realise that the extent of the correlation between peoples ages and which way they voted was this difinitive. That's a very interesting map, thanks for posting it.

[LFCMike]

I think those maps with the age brackets are from 2017. But yeah, they're probably still pretty accurate today

[Harry]

On 13/12/2019 at 23:38, shut up said:

Nope. Corbyn was polling at 40% literally earlier in year, with tories on 39%. (he got 41% in the previous election)  the pivot on brexit is the main reason for the loss of seats in the midlands and the north.

there is a direct correlation of labour's brexit policy change and going down in the polls. if we had starmer in charge with same brexit policy, conservatives still have a majority today

Don't underestimate the impact of a leaders unpopularity being capable of shifting undecideds on the final day of the campaign.

Our Australian Labor government explained away their previous leaders trailing in preferred PM polls to the conservative party leader and having a -21 favorable rating (35% approved, 56% disapproved) then we were wondering why they underperformed relative to pre election polling...

If people don't like you it makes them much more willing to vote elsewhere. 

[Stan]

Wow imagine my shock Tories lied

 

[DeadLinesman]

1 hour ago, Stan said:

Wow imagine my shock Tories lied

 

To be fair, the article is dated 25th November 2019. It’s not like people didn’t know......