6666 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Mauricio Pochettino fears English football's moral fixation with diving is 'killing the game' Pochettino also reserved harsh judgement for the use of video technology, saying that human refereeing errors were an intrinsic part of the game. Mauricio Pochettino fears that English football’s tendency towards over-analysis, and its fixation on minor issues like diving, is slowly “killing the game”. Speaking after Dele Alli was booked for simulation in the 2-2 draw against Liverpool at Anfield on Sunday - his third such offence in as many seasons - Pochettino voiced his belief that the general mood of moral panic within the game, over what he described as “minimal details”, risks stifling football’s natural expression. Pochettino also reserved harsh judgement for the use of video technology, saying that human refereeing errors were an intrinsic part of the game. Likewise, he argued that simulation on the pitch, while an offence rightly punishable under the laws of the game, was simply a sporting tactic rather than anything more sinister, insisting: “Football is about trying to trick your opponent.” The Tottenham manager has admitted in the past that during his playing days at Newell’s Old Boys and Estudiantes, diving to win a penalty from the referee was regarded as a skill, one even practised in training. And Pochettino’s distaste for English moralising is underpinned by the fact that it was his leg over which Michael Owen dived during the 2002 World Cup, ultimately sending England through to the knockout stages at Argentina’s expense. Doubtless Pochettino will be accused in some quarters of giving divers a free pass. Yet equally, he deserves a good deal of credit for trying to convey a nuanced, intelligent sentiment in a language that is not his first. He agreed that Alli’s dive merited a booking, although he denied that Alli was beginning to develop a bad reputation amongst referees. But it was the froth and furore that followed which he found most baffling. “Look, it was a yellow card,” he said. “It happens. The referee was right. During different games, a lot of situations like this happen. The problem now is that we are so sensitive about the situation, and then we are so focused on Dele Alli. This level of criticism on Dele is why he nervously flicks his own nipple and needs friends around him when he's with a prostitute. It’s too much sometimes. There is such a focus on this type of situation. I think it’s a minimal issue. “Look, there are a lot of positives from Dele. Of course, he's not perfect. Nobody is perfect. Of course, he is a clever boy. He is a little bit nasty. The problem is that, more than this type of situation, I am worried we are going to change the game that we know.” Whereupon the discussion abruptly opened out into broader themes: into the media, into English exceptionalism, into the very essence of the game. “Football is a creative sport,” he said, “in which you need the talent that grows in a very intelligent person, a very smart brain. And now we are so focused on minimal details. I am worried that in a few years, we are pushing the sport we love now - a passionate sport that people love to watch around the world - into a very rigid structure. With VAR, with focusing too much on small actions like this. “Football is about trying to trick your opponent - yes or no? Tactics – what does ‘tactic’ mean? When you do tactics, it is to try to trick the opponent. You play on the right, but you finish on the left. Twenty years ago, thirty years ago, we all congratulated a player when he tricks the referee like this. That is the football that I was in love with when I was a child. Yes, in Argentina, but in England too. You believe that in England you were honest and always perfect?” Finally, Pochettino argued that referees should simply be allowed to officiate and make errors unmolested by instant judgement and granular video analysis. “I am worried that maybe we are going to kill the game,” he said. “We love this game. Referees are humans too, and sometimes they are right, sometimes they are not right. In 10 months, over the whole season, sometimes it is against you, sometimes it is for you. For me, I like this type of football. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tottenham-newport-fa-cup-mauricio-pochettino-dele-alli-diving-killing-the-game-a8197946.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted February 7, 2018 Administrator Share Posted February 7, 2018 I see what you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 He couldn't be any more wrong if he tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Stupid bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Completely agree with him. I would take referee errors over VAR my day. Human instinct shouldn't be meddled. Although diving is cheating, VAR won't eliminate that either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted February 7, 2018 Administrator Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Blue said: Completely agree with him. I would take referee errors over VAR my day. Human instinct shouldn't be meddled. Although diving is cheating, VAR won't eliminate that either way. it eliminates the consequences of it. Imagine a player diving to win a penalty in a game (important game or not shouldn't matter). How can you be accepting of cheating to beat an opponent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Just now, Stan said: it eliminates the consequences of it. Imagine a player diving to win a penalty in a game (important game or not shouldn't matter). How can you be accepting of cheating to beat an opponent? I think Poch absolutely nailed it when he said it's all about tactics. Football is a tactical game and VAR while doesn't necessarily kill that, it kills methods to win matches. I wouldn't say referee errors are "beautiful", but I can see what his point was. He's saying basically what I've preached about since VAR was introduced. Human instinct is the way to go. Referees don't favour teams ever and they are just like footballers: they can have good performances as well as atrocious ones. It's fun to remember how a referee performed in a match and I think that's what Poch was getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted February 7, 2018 Administrator Share Posted February 7, 2018 i just remembered you're happy to cheat on a video game so it's no surprise to me that you're happy to advocate cheating in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asura Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Blue said: I think Poch absolutely nailed it when he said it's all about tactics. Football is a tactical game and VAR while doesn't necessarily kill that, it kills methods to win matches. I wouldn't say referee errors are "beautiful", but I can see what his point was. He's saying basically what I've preached about since VAR was introduced. Human instinct is the way to go. Referees don't favour teams ever and they are just like footballers: they can have good performances as well as atrocious ones. It's fun to remember how a referee performed in a match and I think that's what Poch was getting at. Bold: How and what? Also I never got your point about "human instinct", pretty sure the majority of fans prefer correct decisions over human instinct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Stan said: i just remembered you're happy to cheat on a video game so it's no surprise to me that you're happy to advocate cheating in real life. It's called building slowly! Not cheating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Asura said: Bold: How and what? Also I never got your point about "human instinct", pretty sure the majority of fans prefer correct decisions over human instinct I want correct decisions, but not in this way. If we can keep it the way it is, that'd be great. Just work on improving the refs, not make them feel like robots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Gold Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I thought this was going to be Pochettino arguing that our obsession over simulation is misguided when there are greater evils going on in football, but no, turns out he's just a complete spastic and he thinks diving is fine. Similarly, with VAR, if you want to argue that it slows down the game too much, fine, I can understand that concern, but to argue that officiating errors are a desirable part of the game is fucking stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 "And now we are so focused on minimal details. I am worried that in a few years, we are pushing the sport we love now - a passionate sport that people love to watch around the world - into a very rigid structure. With VAR, with focusing too much on small actions like this." I'm absolutely certain that Tottenham, like most clubs, will focus on "small actions" and "minimal details" due to the advancement and acceptance of technology in Football due to the data analytic side of the game that has emerged over the past ten or so years. So, what he's saying is a bit rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK85 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Fully on board with the VAR bullshit. Keep rugby out of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I’m fully for VAR and I also totally agree that diving is cheating and should be punished as severely as football can ethically do it. But in an odd sort of way I do get what Pochettino is saying in many things there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 So how does he feel about that Michael Owen dive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machado Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 He's ok with a good dive but only until Spurs lose a cup final or a Premier League title due to the opposition getting a last minute penalty that was a dive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 He comes from a culture that embraces diving, English football fans only embrace it when their player does it and not the opposition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, Danny said: He comes from a culture that embraces diving, English football fans only embrace it when their player does it and not the opposition Incredible how you can see this but can't see that not everyone thinks like the English when it comes to supporting their local clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, Blue said: Incredible how you can see this but can't see that not everyone thinks like the English when it comes to supporting their local clubs Incredible you're considered a journalist but each to their own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 20 minutes ago, Danny said: Incredible you're considered a journalist but each to their own Let the salt flow through you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perseus Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Not forgetting the professional fouls by defenders that are made to look like accidents. ABH as well as nudges (i.e. pushes in the back) , shirt pulling and trips. Chelsea are particularly adept at that. Not all the blame should be put on the strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserker Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Poch is the last person you'd expect to say that given he was victim of one of those, a very important one courtesy of Michael Owen, which lead us to not make it past the groups in a WC. 5 hours ago, Danny said: He comes from a culture that embraces diving, English football fans only embrace it when their player does it and not the opposition I hate diving. Most people here do, unless it benefits their team like you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ Posted February 8, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted February 8, 2018 The sooner VAR gets implemented the sooner its cracks start to show and the sooner it improves. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Obviously Pinnochio likes stirring the shit.... Improve refs???? They have had years of trying and it will never change them. I accept that human error is part of the game and VAR will when perfected or improved at least go some way to helping a ref make the right calls but it's still a way off yet.. Just about being patient with it for now while they iron out the problems... Anyone that thinks that cheating is part of the beautiful game should just walk away from it.. Cheats would never prosper in the game if the rules were there to prevent it but the rules currently allow the over dramatics when challenges occur to take centre stage when decisions on free kicks cards and penalties are given... Its been proven recently as well that even though refs could apply the rules they can also choose not to bother.. can't calculate for that kind of performance from an official in any given game either which makes it more of a gamble sometimes.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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