UK Politics & Brexit Discussion

[Dr. Gonzo]

Australia rejects UK's appeal for freedom of movement between the two countries: https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/first-blow-for-post-brexit-britain-as-australia-rejects-trade-deal/07/01/

[Dr. Gonzo]

Looks like a Ukrainian passenger flight was shot down in Tehran tonight though 

Iran state media says it was a technical malfunction, but it went down in the ball of flames

[Harry]

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Looks like a Ukrainian passenger flight was shot down in Tehran tonight though 

Iran state media says it was a technical malfunction, but it went down in the ball of flames

What's the link to brexit and the UK?

[Dr. Gonzo]

9 hours ago, Harry said:

What's the link to brexit and the UK?

I posted it in the wrong thread, whoopsies

[carefreeluke]

It has really started to get difficult to do anything here in Spain on a social and legal level, things like accessing healthcare and dealing with the state and social system. The effects or potential effects of Brexit are really starting to hit home.

[Stan]

 

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

Jaguar Land Rover to cut 500 jobs from their Merseyside plant.

Here's a quote from their statement regarding it: "Until the government ensures that there is long-term frictionless trade and no tariffs with the European Union along with meaningful investment in the infrastructure to ensure the success of electric vehicles, the UK's car industry will continue to experience severe challenges."

[Honey Honey]

6 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Jaguar Land Rover to cut 500 jobs from their Merseyside plant.

Here's a quote from their statement regarding it: "Until the government ensures that there is long-term frictionless trade and no tariffs with the European Union along with meaningful investment in the infrastructure to ensure the success of electric vehicles, the UK's car industry will continue to experience severe challenges."

That is actually what the trade union leader said. What the company said was that it is due to efficiency savings to cope with rising global demand for their product.

[Dr. Gonzo]

There’s also this:

New head of trade body urges caution over divergence from EU rules

Britain’s aerospace and defence companies fired a warning shot at Boris Johnson’s government on Wednesday after chancellor Sajid Javid’s defiant comments that there would be no regulatory alignment with the EU after Brexit.

In a speech to the sector’s biggest annual gathering in London, Tony Wood, incoming president of the industry trade body, ADS, said staying aligned with European aviation regulations was “in our national interest”.

Mr Wood went on to warn that any changes to the current status — where the UK remains a member of the European Union Aviation Safety regime (EASA) — “need to be considered and carefully introduced.”

“If the UK government has a different ambition, it needs to work with us to make sure we can deliver,” Mr Wood added.

People close to the new ADS boss called for the government to set out its position in consultation with industry. They said his remarks reflected deep frustration in the aerospace and defence industries over the government’s failure to accept the implications of divergence from the EU.

Companies and trade bodies across several sectors reacted with dismay to comments by Mr Javid in an interview with the FT last week in which he insisted Britain would not be a ruletaker from Brussels. He added that after 3½ years of Brexit paralysis businesses in the UK have had plenty of time to prepare for the effects of leaving the bloc.

Two senior aerospace executives said it was unclear whether this was clear policy or whether Mr Javid was merely taking a hardline position ahead of what are likely to be tough trade negotiations with the EU.

Either way, it was impossible for businesses to prepare for a new regime if they did not know what the government proposed in its place, said Paul Everitt, ADS chief executive.

The UK aerospace industry, which has a highly-regulated global supply chain, relies on membership of EASA to maintain common safety and certification standards that are also acceptable to the US safety agency, the Federal Aviation Administration.

The industry has estimated that it would take a decade and cost between £30m and £40m a year to create a UK safety authority with all the expertise of EASA, against a current contribution to the European agency of £1m to £4m annually.

While aircraft components are exempt from tariffs under World Trade Organisation rules, the aerospace industry has long argued that divergence from European regulations would add cost and complexity to UK manufacturing and jeopardise export success. In 2018, UK exported some £34bn in aerospace products.

In October, Mr Everitt wrote to British government ministers raising the industry’s concerns about divergence after it emerged that Mr Johnson planned to ditch close regulatory ties with the EU.

Tom Enders, the former chief executive of Airbus — the Franco-German aerospace group which has significant operations in the UK — warned repeatedly that the company could begin to shift investment out of Britain if competitiveness was harmed by Brexit.

In his speech on Wednesday night, Mr Wood also called on government to double the funding of the Aerospace Technology Institute from the current £150m a year to £300m a year to 2036 in a bid to preserve the UK’s future technological expertise. This funding would be matched by industry, Mr Everitt said.

https://www.ft.com/content/a89dfdea-3d07-11ea-a01a-bae547046735

[Dr. Gonzo]

Lol - https://www.businessinsider.com/nao-report-46m-get-ready-for-brexit-campaign-didnt-work-2020-1?utm_source=reddit.com

What a waste of money.

Govt: Prepare for Brexit.

Businesses: How?

Govt: fuck business, lmao

[Smiley Culture]

Feel like I’ve been mis-sold here. Someone up the road started letting off fireworks bang on 11. Genuinely a Brexit Party going on up the road. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

So do I have to apply for a new passport now?

[Tommy]

So long, suckers. 

[Tommy]

 

[Devil-Dick Willie]

On 23/01/2020 at 18:47, Harvsky said:

That is actually what the trade union leader said. What the company said was that it is due to efficiency savings to cope with rising global demand for their product.

Ah yes. "Due to the higher demand of our product we've had to lay off workers." Simple economics really.

[Honey Honey]

2 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

Ah yes. "Due to the higher demand of our product we've had to lay off workers." Simple economics really.

I don't know the ins and outs of their business but they did say efficiency savings. I think you've probably over simplified economics. It's perfectly possible and common for a growing business to shrink the workforce if it discovers operational savings or if a cost benefit analysis indicates that the freed up cash flow can be invested in an area with a long term growth benefit. Big business ops departments are trying to do this all the time. It's one of the main reasons jobs move to cheaper labour areas despite growth.

[Tommy]

I'm sorry. Is this some sort of British joke that I'm too European to understand? 

[LFCMike]

Wow 

 

[Carnivore Chris]

On 28/01/2020 at 16:47, Dr. Gonzo said:

Lol - https://www.businessinsider.com/nao-report-46m-get-ready-for-brexit-campaign-didnt-work-2020-1?utm_source=reddit.com

What a waste of money.

Govt: Prepare for Brexit.

Businesses: How?

Govt: fuck business, lmao

Honestly, it just sums up what this country is to be honest.

There are far bigger fish to fry. But then this is a country where people think Big Brother and Love Island are great TV programmes. It's a very dumbed down nation of sheep, so it's not really surprising is it.

Edited February 1, 2020 by Carnivore Chris

[Carnivore Chris]

12 hours ago, Tommy said:

 

I hope they do. Great continent. It's a better continent than England is a country anyway.

[Stan]

7 hours ago, LFCMike said:

Wow 

 

This is the one that gets me.

No substance in what Brexit gives them.

 

[RandoEFC+]

Does nobody else have a feeling of absolute liberation now? The Tory-Leave coalition has well and truly won the argument and given the power to do things exactly the way they want. There will always be that small minority who will refuse to admit they're wrong and blame brown or Polish people for their lives getting worse but for the majority that have two brain cells to rub together it would be totally clear who is responsible for what's happened to them if Brexit is as bad for the country as most experts think it will be.

[Dr. Gonzo]

On 01/02/2020 at 09:56, RandoEFC said:

Does nobody else have a feeling of absolute liberation now? The Tory-Leave coalition has well and truly won the argument and given the power to do things exactly the way they want. There will always be that small minority who will refuse to admit they're wrong and blame brown or Polish people for their lives getting worse but for the majority that have two brain cells to rub together it would be totally clear who is responsible for what's happened to them if Brexit is as bad for the country as most experts think it will be.

Nah I don't have much faith in the voting public at large tbh. We've had a decade of austerity (while the tories have managed to keep public spending at around the same levels as pre-austerity days) and our reward is more Tory rule and further cuts. I can't imagine too many people will direct blame at the right places.

The new narrative for misdirected blame now remain at the EU - they'll say the EU has been vindictive with us after Brexit and that's why x y and z have happened.

[Inverted]

I'm still quite adamant that things will get much, much worse before any progress is ever made. As a nation our pride is much too swollen and skulls too thick to learn our lesson this easily.

But the feeling that for the next while, there's no possibility of anything changing, it's quite relaxing.

It's like the Alcoholics Anonymous prayer - you hope for the strength to change the things you can, and the serenity to accept what you can't.

[Carnivore Chris]

I'm no longer English anyway. I no longer identify as being any particular nationality.

If a man can claim to be a woman(or viceversa, which is fine by me of course) or a person can claim to not identify as any gender, then surely that applies to your race or nationality as well?

 

 

Edited February 4, 2020 by Carnivore Chris