Guest Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 One of the things that bothers me the most is that whoever is organizing this thinks it works in football. I can't speak for the NFL, but the NBA has had some games moved to the U.K. and there it can work. The NBA has 82 games per season and has an entirely different format to La Liga or any footy league. In football, and especially La Liga with the patterns they have shown, the teams have little room for slip ups. They need the home advantage. Finished mid table clashes at the end of the season might be OK, even if I am still against the idea, it doesn't really hurt anyone then though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Blue said: La Liga with the patterns they have shown, the teams have little room for slip ups. They need the home advantage. Finished mid table clashes at the end of the season might be OK, even if I am still against the idea, it doesn't really hurt anyone then though. Definitely agree with that. I thought about it and straight away felt El Clásico is impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Sold out again like they did with the Arabs. One day a football game will be played in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, Panna King said: Sold out again like they did with the Arabs. One day a football game will be played in space. Would you be opposed if it was Portugal v. Morocco playing in Uranus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Gold Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Blue said: One of the things that bothers me the most is that whoever is organizing this thinks it works in football. I can't speak for the NFL, but the NBA has had some games moved to the U.K. and there it can work. The NBA has 82 games per season and has an entirely different format to La Liga or any footy league. In football, and especially La Liga with the patterns they have shown, the teams have little room for slip ups. They need the home advantage. Finished mid table clashes at the end of the season might be OK, even if I am still against the idea, it doesn't really hurt anyone then though. This argument doesn't really hold water when you look at the NFL. Those teams play 16 games a season and playoff qualification can often come down to single games on the win/loss record, or even tie-breakers. What I will say, however, is that the NFL is far more open about being a business than any European football league. They had no qualms, for example, about saying the reason for the recent rule change to favour offense in the passing game was because that's what casual fans liked to see, and that's where the potential for growth was. 7 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: They should do what the NFL does when it sends teams to London. Send 2 teams nobody will give a fuck about. I don't think that's really an option unfortunately. Because of the competitive balance measures in the NFL, there's no shortage of either 'big teams' that are currently shit, or 'small teams' that are currently good. In other words, teams that would draw a big crowd in an overseas market, but might not be selling out at home. That phenomenon doesn't really exist in Europe, and especially not in La Liga. Also, there's not as much appeal in going to 'a La Liga game' (no matter the teams involved) because the league doesn't have the brand power the NFL has. The NFL is synonymous with its sport; the same can't be said of La Liga, or indeed any football league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted August 17, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted August 17, 2018 Disappointing and I can only echo sentiments from earlier in the thread. If they have to go down this route I'd much rather stick to taking shit like Super Cups, Community Shields and League Cup finals around the world to satisfy this demand. The marquee matches belong in the marquee stadiums, Camp Nou, Wembley, San Siro. I could actually even stomach taking European finals to America if it keeps league games in the home countries. Fans have to travel to other countries for those games almost always anyway so it vaguely makes sense even if it's out of Europe. Just a word on how many people think the Premier League is the pinnacle of all consumerism and similar evils. At least we still have a few 3pm Saturday kick offs each weekend. La Liga have already done away with that so all top flight games are televised which is great for us in England but we'd kick the fuck off if the Premier League did something like that. As to the waste of two pages debate at the start of the thread, I couldn't care less whether they take these games to the US, South America, Norway or Papau New Guinea. It's just different shades of bullshit. It'll be sad but interesting to see how much further down this road we go in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said: I certainly do not want Americans enjoying it, you spoil everything. Leave the only good sport alone and stick to the shite you enjoy. I am being unreasonable but it is extremely sad watching this happen to a great game. I bet you also hate it when blacks represent England. Have a word with yourself, this is embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Anyway, I've accepted defeat. England has been destroyed by immigrants, LOTE speaking wankers with no affinity for the country or ideals the nation represents. There will be strong resistance from the real British from the areas but they are out numbered now, they can just get a load of grinning johnny foreigners in and they don't care. This is a dark, dark day. PS: Go fuck yourself, @The Artful Dodger my wife and half my entire family is American and if you can speak in general terms about Americans like you have, then maybe next time you should throw in a solid 'Chink' or 'Gook', so I know you've got racism covered on top of xenophobia. Cunt. It isn't Americans that are the problem it's your 'pure' European FAs that are the problem. They are one fucking you up the arse, so I suggest looking in the fucking mirror before pointing the finger at others. I BET you would never use the language you did about other nations or cultures, but because it's America it's okay. You wouldn't say something like 'I don't want the Pakistanis enjoying cricket', or 'greasy, chop-stick thin Chinese should stay to their own sports'. Bullshit hypocrisy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 India has ruined cricket as well to be fair. On the other hand, I've met pleasant Indians but I've never met a pleasant American. I'm aware it's completely Europe's fault by the way, they are the nadir of the avarice and materialism that Europe brought to the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Not really sure I can get onboard with some of the faux outrage shown by people. It seems that it’s okay for the NFL, NBA and the MLB (when it does come) to be played in the UK but anywhere else is an absolute no-go. If La Liga had said they were bringing a game to Wembley, I’m sure everyone would be buzzing. The Super Cup was played in Morocco the other day and the Coppa Italia has been played in Asia in the past and I can’t seem to recall any threads decrying these decisions to move these games from their “rightful” homes. We don’t seem bothered anymore that Premier League teams are travelling off to far-flung destinations for pre-season friendlies. There’s no outrage that Man United aren’t playing games in the North West, Arsenal aren’t playing in the South East and Newcastle aren’t playing games in the general North East sides. I’m sure this will be the precedent for other leagues to start doing the same. I’m sure before long we will see this in the Premier League. It’s been done by other major sports leagues and the Premier League will be considered to be lagging behind if they don’t do so. Realistically, what opposition do Premier League clubs have? Their fans will moan and kick up a fuss but what’s the worst they will do? A mass walk out? A boycott for ten minutes? We’re not going to see fans throwing season tickets in the bin or empty stadiums as those empty seats will be filled by the demand for Premier League Football. I reckon this could be doable with a bit of work from the relevant people but you could have a whole round of Premier League games, the first weekend of the season for example with a week off following this weekend, across the globe in different places between say 9am-10pm in one day. However, I’m not sure how a Brighton v Leicester game would go down in say Guadalajara but the Premier League is that big of a brand that they should be able to market this and fill a ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 It's not okay for any American sport to be played here either. This is noahs arc stuff, if there is a god surely a flood is due to save us from further despair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 We should send curling to somewhere where they don't accept extradition requests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said: Not really sure I can get onboard with some of the faux outrage shown by people. It seems that it’s okay for the NFL, NBA and the MLB (when it does come) to be played in the UK but anywhere else is an absolute no-go. If La Liga had said they were bringing a game to Wembley, I’m sure everyone would be buzzing. The Super Cup was played in Morocco the other day and the Coppa Italia has been played in Asia in the past and I can’t seem to recall any threads decrying these decisions to move these games from their “rightful” homes. I do recall a thread on the old forums about the Coppa Italia being played, where exactly the same logic was applied, to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted August 17, 2018 Administrator Share Posted August 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said: Not really sure I can get onboard with some of the faux outrage shown by people. It seems that it’s okay for the NFL, NBA and the MLB (when it does come) to be played in the UK but anywhere else is an absolute no-go. If La Liga had said they were bringing a game to Wembley, I’m sure everyone would be buzzing. The Super Cup was played in Morocco the other day and the Coppa Italia has been played in Asia in the past and I can’t seem to recall any threads decrying these decisions to move these games from their “rightful” homes. We don’t seem bothered anymore that Premier League teams are travelling off to far-flung destinations for pre-season friendlies. There’s no outrage that Man United aren’t playing games in the North West, Arsenal aren’t playing in the South East and Newcastle aren’t playing games in the general North East sides. I’m sure this will be the precedent for other leagues to start doing the same. I’m sure before long we will see this in the Premier League. It’s been done by other major sports leagues and the Premier League will be considered to be lagging behind if they don’t do so. Realistically, what opposition do Premier League clubs have? Their fans will moan and kick up a fuss but what’s the worst they will do? A mass walk out? A boycott for ten minutes? We’re not going to see fans throwing season tickets in the bin or empty stadiums as those empty seats will be filled by the demand for Premier League Football. I reckon this could be doable with a bit of work from the relevant people but you could have a whole round of Premier League games, the first weekend of the season for example with a week off following this weekend, across the globe in different places between say 9am-10pm in one day. However, I’m not sure how a Brighton v Leicester game would go down in say Guadalajara but the Premier League is that big of a brand that they should be able to market this and fill a ground. I was under the impression a lot of fans hated it and it was a lot of pandering to fans of those countries as opposed to playing friendlies here? I certainly hated that we got shipped out to USA and Sweden (16/17 pre-season) and Hong Kong last summer for the benefit of lining someone's pockets to play in pointless tournaments that only served to disrupt a pre-season we would usually have. Definitely bothered about mate. But only goes to show how commercialised the game has come as it seems fans in Asia/USA are only too happy to pay to see matches while wearing half-and-half shirts (yes, I did see a Real Madrid/Barca concoction ). If we're talking about games during the season though, it's a proper slap in the face for fans in UK if they were to take a round of games elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 56 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said: Not really sure I can get onboard with some of the faux outrage shown by people. It seems that it’s okay for the NFL, NBA and the MLB (when it does come) to be played in the UK but anywhere else is an absolute no-go. If La Liga had said they were bringing a game to Wembley, I’m sure everyone would be buzzing. The Super Cup was played in Morocco the other day and the Coppa Italia has been played in Asia in the past and I can’t seem to recall any threads decrying these decisions to move these games from their “rightful” homes. We don’t seem bothered anymore that Premier League teams are travelling off to far-flung destinations for pre-season friendlies. There’s no outrage that Man United aren’t playing games in the North West, Arsenal aren’t playing in the South East and Newcastle aren’t playing games in the general North East sides. I’m sure this will be the precedent for other leagues to start doing the same. I’m sure before long we will see this in the Premier League. It’s been done by other major sports leagues and the Premier League will be considered to be lagging behind if they don’t do so. Realistically, what opposition do Premier League clubs have? Their fans will moan and kick up a fuss but what’s the worst they will do? A mass walk out? A boycott for ten minutes? We’re not going to see fans throwing season tickets in the bin or empty stadiums as those empty seats will be filled by the demand for Premier League Football. I reckon this could be doable with a bit of work from the relevant people but you could have a whole round of Premier League games, the first weekend of the season for example with a week off following this weekend, across the globe in different places between say 9am-10pm in one day. However, I’m not sure how a Brighton v Leicester game would go down in say Guadalajara but the Premier League is that big of a brand that they should be able to market this and fill a ground. American sports are franchise like by nature, playing abroad is just an extension of that nature. That nature goes against the very fabric of association football, yes there has been piss taking with pre-season friendlies (the two pre-season cup friendliest you mention as well), but I believe there was uproar in Spain over the Morocco choice too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Danny said: American sports are franchise like by nature, playing abroad is just an extension of that nature. That nature goes against the very fabric of association football, yes there has been piss taking with pre-season friendlies (the two pre-season cup friendliest you mention as well), but I believe there was uproar in Spain over the Morocco choice too. Poor excuse. We lap it up here when other sports roll into town. It’s hypocritical. Wembley gets sold out up to four times a year when the NFL rolls into town so faux outrage about Football in England being taken elsewhere because it hasn’t been done before (like the VAR argument) is weak. Weaker when you consider that most people in the UK watch Football on the tele anyway, so you’re not harming them or their watching habits. It’s going to happen. The Premier League is a major sports league and all others (NFL, NBA, MLB) have taken games abroad. The Premier League is lagging behind in this respect and it’s a matter of time before they jump on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Smiley Culture said: Poor excuse. We lap it up here when other sports roll into town. It’s hypocritical. Wembley gets sold out up to four times a year when the NFL rolls into town so faux outrage about Football in England being taken elsewhere because it hasn’t been done before (like the VAR argument) is weak. Weaker when you consider that most people in the UK watch Football on the tele anyway, so you’re not harming them or their watching habits. It’s going to happen. The Premier League is a major sports league and all others (NFL, NBA, MLB) have taken games abroad. The Premier League is lagging behind in this respect and it’s a matter of time before they jump on board. Poor excuse? American sports teams have been jumping cities since their creation, it's considered a viable business option over there to create more success for a franchise. The thought of that happening to an established English side is illogical, can you imagine telling Everton or Newcastle they should move to London to make more money? Yet that's an everyday reality amongst American sports. They know that and we know that. It's why they take games abroad, because the fabric of their game is built on franchising. And whilst money may rule the execs behind Premier League clubs that franchise mentality runs completely against what football is. We whore ourselves out yes, but we don't change the entirety of our clubs being and existence for some extra dollars in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ Posted August 17, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted August 17, 2018 3 hours ago, SirBalon said: We should send curling to somewhere where they don't accept extradition requests. Are you talking about the winter sports game here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mel81x said: Are you talking about the winter sports game here? Yeah, the one that’s played with broomsticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 34 minutes ago, Danny said: Poor excuse? American sports teams have been jumping cities since their creation, it's considered a viable business option over there to create more success for a franchise. The thought of that happening to an established English side is illogical, can you imagine telling Everton or Newcastle they should move to London to make more money? Yet that's an everyday reality amongst American sports. They know that and we know that. It's why they take games abroad, because the fabric of their game is built on franchising. And whilst money may rule the execs behind Premier League clubs that franchise mentality runs completely against what football is. We whore ourselves out yes, but we don't change the entirety of our clubs being and existence for some extra dollars in the bank. It’s absolutely not the same situation. We’re not talking about teams moving cities to play all their games somewhere else. We’re talking one off games in a different country to maximise the earning potential of those sides and the league. It’s been done by all major sport leagues and has now been increasing within Football with the Italians, French (?) and Spanish leagues taking up the opportunity to play abroad. I mean, we do exactly what you say. Clubs have gone away from being community minded to become conglomerates and brands, whom play friendlies across the globe when teams on their own doorstep are vulnerable and local fans are priced out of the game. It’s going to happen and there’s nothing fan’s can do, let’s be honest. How far does a mass walkout go? Or a boycott for a period of the game? It goes nowhere other than creates some column inches that aren’t at all damaging to clubs or the Premier League. We won’t see empty stands, the demand for Premier League games means we’ll still have full stadiums and all we’ll get is John Smith, 45, the Chair of the Southampton Supporters Trust saying that they won’t support it and they’re upset at losing a game of their season ticket. Is it morally wrong? Yeah, but then again we’ve had competitions and teams sponsored by fags, alcohol, betting, unscrupulous loan companies and the like on shirts for years and that’s equally as morally wrong but the fans cannot claim the moral high ground here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said: India has ruined cricket as well to be fair. On the other hand, I've met pleasant Indians but I've never met a pleasant American. I'm aware it's completely Europe's fault by the way, they are the nadir of the avarice and materialism that Europe brought to the world. You are a xenophobe. No two ways about it. Let me guess, you met one American who didn't treat you nice and therefore you hate us all? Fucking unreal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Stan said: I was under the impression a lot of fans hated it and it was a lot of pandering to fans of those countries as opposed to playing friendlies here? I certainly hated that we got shipped out to USA and Sweden (16/17 pre-season) and Hong Kong last summer for the benefit of lining someone's pockets to play in pointless tournaments that only served to disrupt a pre-season we would usually have. Definitely bothered about mate. But only goes to show how commercialised the game has come as it seems fans in Asia/USA are only too happy to pay to see matches while wearing half-and-half shirts (yes, I did see a Real Madrid/Barca concoction ). If we're talking about games during the season though, it's a proper slap in the face for fans in UK if they were to take a round of games elsewhere. When Liverpool came to Australia to play at the MCG against our local team it was a fucking dream tbh. I thought, my only ever chance to see them play. I had mates fly in from all corners of the country to see them, and the atmosphere at the game was pretty great. Lots of Aussies.doing their best to pay homage to and recreate the Anfield atmosphere. Prior to that the teams to come here all had specific reasons to, like Greek or Italian clubs coming due to the huge local populations of second generation aussies from those countries of origin. As a one off thing I thought that was ok, giving the people who cant afford it a one time chance to see a club that interests them. but it has been devalued by multiple new clubs coming every year now. The Champions Cup is a crass tournament although it is sometimes ok to see yourselves playing some good solid practice matches in the lead up to the season as opposed to playing league 2 sides. Season games is just another matter though. Its the kind of thing American franchises do, and i cant stomach, nor stump up any genuine affection for those soulless corporations.... I see the attraction of the College Sports, which are less affected by that. I’d probably follow those with more interest than the major leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Harry said: When Liverpool came to Australia to play at the MCG against our local team it was a fucking dream tbh. I thought, my only ever chance to see them play. I had mates fly in from all corners of the country to see them, and the atmosphere at the game was pretty great. Lots of Aussies.doing their best to pay homage to and recreate the Anfield atmosphere. Prior to that the teams to come here all had specific reasons to, like Greek or Italian clubs coming due to the huge local populations of second generation aussies from those countries of origin. As a one off thing I thought that was ok, giving the people who cant afford it a one time chance to see a club that interests them. but it has been devalued by multiple new clubs coming every year now. The Champions Cup is a crass tournament although it is sometimes ok to see yourselves playing some good solid practice matches in the lead up to the season as opposed to playing league 2 sides. Season games is just another matter though. Its the kind of thing American franchises do, and i cant stomach, nor stump up any genuine affection for those soulless corporations.... I see the attraction of the College Sports, which are less affected by that. I’d probably follow those with more interest than the major leagues. Not all 'American Franchises' are soulless corporations. Chicago Blackhawks... nearly a century in Chicago, run and support several local charities, from reading to support local Native Americans. Australian sports also run a very similar system, that is why AFL, NRL, A-League just have new 'clubs' pop up everywhere. Clubs in name only, very slight differences between American franchises. I bet most people on here don't even know the difference between a club and a franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Chicago Cubs...142 years in Chicago. Now how could they, being a franchise have any sort of cultural and emotional affinity to the people of Chicago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Spike said: Chicago Cubs...142 years in Chicago. Now how could they, being a franchise have any sort of cultural and emotional affinity to the people of Chicago? You could say the same for Boston clubs. Extremely successful, rich, loved beyond the States and loyal to their city and roots. Red Sox, in Boston since 1908 Celtics have been there since 1946 Boston Bruins in Boston since 1924 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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