Administrator Stan 18,386 Posted February 11, 2022 Administrator Share Posted February 11, 2022 23 minutes ago, Carnivore Chris said: Cats should be banned to be honest. The majority of their owners are massively irresponsible and allow them to roam freely in the wild, where they become the top predator and kill millions of song birds every year. But the problem is, they aren't native, they don't belong in the wild and it makes them vermin pests. Imagine if everybody owned one and just released them outside? They either need banning or kept indoors and taken out on a lead like a dog. Hi Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,206 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 26 minutes ago, Carnivore Chris said: Cats should be banned to be honest. The majority of their owners are massively irresponsible and allow them to roam freely in the wild, where they become the top predator and kill millions of song birds every year. But the problem is, they aren't native, they don't belong in the wild and it makes them vermin pests. Imagine if everybody owned one and just released them outside? They either need banning or kept indoors and taken out on a lead like a dog. Cats are well evil, just lay there in your garden half ripping a birds head off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris 2,606 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Just now, Stan said: Hi Kurt How? I don't agree with him kicking it. But they still shouldn't be allowed to roam freely in the wild, it's typical irresponsible human behaviour. I've seen them kill small birds on many occasions with my eyes. Seeing a Sparrowhawk grab and fly off with a bird the other week was great viewing, nature at its best. But not when someone's pet is killing everything it can for fun. The same people who own cats and let them run wild are against people hunting with dogs. Double standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,386 Posted February 11, 2022 Administrator Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Carnivore Chris said: How? I don't agree with him kicking it. But they still shouldn't be allowed to roam freely in the wild, it's typical irresponsible human behaviour. I've seen them kill small birds on many occasions with my eyes. Seeing a Sparrowhawk grab and fly off with a bird the other week was great viewing, nature at its best. But not when someone's pet is killing everything it can for fun. The same people who own cats and let them run wild are against people hunting with dogs. Double standards. I know, just the 'cats should be banned' bit amused me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris 2,606 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Danny said: Cats are well evil, just lay there in your garden half ripping a birds head off They are only acting on instinctive though, so I blame the owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris 2,606 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Stan said: I know, just the 'cats should be banned' bit amused me To be honest, I prefer pet dogs over domesticated cats but cats over dogs in terms of wild species any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,360 Posted February 11, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted February 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Carnivore Chris said: They are only acting on instinctive though, so I blame the owners. I love any animals but prefer cats, our daughter's cat Puddin is a house cat and never goes outside, we had a friends cat for a couple of days in this flat but she never went outside, the daughter had some pet rats about 2 months ago before 3 died and she adopted the last 2 out to friends but she never let them out for a run with the cat around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris 2,606 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, CaaC (John) said: I love any animals but prefer cats, our daughter's cat Puddin is a house cat and never goes outside, we had a friends cat for a couple of days in this flat but she never went outside, the daughter had some pet rats about 2 months ago before 3 died and she adopted the last 2 out to friends but she never let them out for a run with the cat around. It'll be like Tom and Jerry in their house when they are all at work/school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ 5,360 Posted February 11, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted February 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Carnivore Chris said: It'll be like Tom and Jerry in their house when they are all at work/school It would have been Puddin the cat ripping the pet rats apart or the 5 rats (all female) attacking the cat as a pack. The daughter also has a pet Gecko but she will only let the Gecko out of her glass enclosure for a run when the cat is locked out of the lounge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I have no empathy for stray and feral cats in Australia. While I love my domestic cat, I'd have no problem if every cat in Australia was killed. They are an apex predator in ecosystems that developed largely without predators. Quite frankly anyone that lets a cat outside unsupervised shouldn't be allowed to have a pet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,188 Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 5 hours ago, Carnivore Chris said: Cats should be banned to be honest. The majority of their owners are massively irresponsible and allow them to roam freely in the wild, where they become the top predator and kill millions of song birds every year. But the problem is, they aren't native, they don't belong in the wild and it makes them vermin pests. Imagine if everybody owned one and just released them outside? They either need banning or kept indoors and taken out on a lead like a dog. They shouldn't be banned but they should be kept indoors or only allowed out on a lead as you say. Letting cats go outside is irresponsible because they are predators that do a lot of killing and can devestate the local ecosystem. Also from the cat's perspective, it often exposes cats to greater health risks - not just "that they can get hurt" outside, but also by eating animals in the wild they can expose themselves to more diseases or they eat things like cigarette butts and other shit no animal or person should be eating. Some people think keeping cats indoors is cruel, but if they go out they should be on a lead - which one of my cats likes going on walks (with a lead). While the other is shit scared of going outside (and that's the cat that's more violent and psychopathic and would probably be a ruthless hunter - so her being shit scared of going outside is probably for the best). And if you put a lead on her she just lies down on the ground until you take it off As long as the cat gets exercise indoors, it's not cruel and indoor only cats that get exercise and the proper nutrition live for a few years longer on average. My 2 cats are the dopiest fucking animals I don't think they'd last 10 minutes outside by themselves, also. Seems like it would be cruel to let them wander around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 The last time Europe tried banning cats the bubonic plague happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Viva la FCB+ 2,557 Posted February 11, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said: They shouldn't be banned but they should be kept indoors or only allowed out on a lead as you say. Letting cats go outside is irresponsible because they are predators that do a lot of killing and can devestate the local ecosystem. Also from the cat's perspective, it often exposes cats to greater health risks - not just "that they can get hurt" outside, but also by eating animals in the wild they can expose themselves to more diseases or they eat things like cigarette butts and other shit no animal or person should be eating. Some people think keeping cats indoors is cruel, but if they go out they should be on a lead - which one of my cats likes going on walks (with a lead). While the other is shit scared of going outside (and that's the cat that's more violent and psychopathic and would probably be a ruthless hunter - so her being shit scared of going outside is probably for the best). And if you put a lead on her she just lies down on the ground until you take it off As long as the cat gets exercise indoors, it's not cruel and indoor only cats that get exercise and the proper nutrition live for a few years longer on average. My 2 cats are the dopiest fucking animals I don't think they'd last 10 minutes outside by themselves, also. Seems like it would be cruel to let them wander around. Couldnt agree more. My little bastard wouldnt have made it more then day in the wild.. the little guy would have rolled over on his back and expected a tummy rub when in danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,616 Posted February 11, 2022 Moderator Share Posted February 11, 2022 6 hours ago, Carnivore Chris said: Cats should be banned to be honest. 3 hours ago, Spike said: I'd have no problem if every cat in Australia was killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Just now, Tommy said: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/15/keep-pet-cats-indoors-say-researchers-who-found-they-kill-230m-native-australian-animals-each-year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Australia has one of the most diverse, sensitive, and unique ecosystems in the world that is on the knife's edge of survival I'd rather have koalas and kookaburras than a couple of fucking feral cats. Not even dogs do as much damage, it's unreal how bad cats are to Australia. And estimated TWENTY species are extinct due to cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,310 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Spike said: I'd have no problem if every cat in Australia was killed. There's a strong link between people who wish harm on animals with people who end up as serial killers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,188 Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Spike said: Australia has one of the most diverse, sensitive, and unique ecosystems in the world that is on the knife's edge of survival I'd rather have koalas and kookaburras than a couple of fucking feral cats. Not even dogs do as much damage, it's unreal how bad cats are to Australia. And estimated TWENTY species are extinct due to cats. Isn't that mostly due to shit cat ownership? Feral cats are a real problem and that's why responsible pet owners should spay/whatever it's called when they take the cat's balls off, I can't remember, as well as do their best to keep their cats indoors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 27 minutes ago, 6666 said: There's a strong link between people who wish harm on animals with people who end up as serial killers... Bizarre cope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Isn't that mostly due to shit cat ownership? Feral cats are a real problem and that's why responsible pet owners should spay/whatever it's called when they take the cat's balls off, I can't remember, as well as do their best to keep their cats indoors. It is mostly due to cats being perfectly suited to Australia’s habitat and having a huge population. Pet ownership leading to ferals is a minor problem compared to the wild population Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,188 Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Spike said: It is mostly due to cats being perfectly suited to Australia’s habitat and having a huge population. Pet ownership leading to ferals is a minor problem compared to the wild population I don't think it's exclusive to Australia that pet cats allowed outdoors and feral cats cause serious impacts to the wild population, though it might be more of a problem due to the cats lacking natural predators there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: I don't think it's exclusive to Australia that pet cats allowed outdoors and feral cats cause serious impacts to the wild population, though it might be more of a problem due to the cats lacking natural predators there. Australia was a closed circuit. Any introduced species here does far more damage than anywhere else. There were zero cats here, no lions, no tigers, no pumas, and even dingoes are an introduced species via Melanasia . So many animals have next to no natural defence against a terrestrial predator, cats have no competition. One feral cat is estimated to kill ~1000 animals a year in Australia. They absolutely eviscerate the wildlife and it is quite stressful seeing native animals torn apart by them, which I have seen. Australian animals could not cope with the introduction of cats unlike other parts of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr. Gonzo 8,188 Posted February 11, 2022 Author Share Posted February 11, 2022 The guy with the pelts also needs shooting tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Just now, Dr. Gonzo said: The guy with the pelts also needs shooting tbh Like fuck he does. He is a weirdo and think the skinning is a bit weird but no weirder than skinning anything else but I'd rather have him than fucking feral cats. These aren't pets, they aren't friends, they are monsters. I don't look at them and see the same domestic cat, because they aren't. I don't think many would understand on here, nor do I expect them to. You didn't grow up seeing birds, lizards, and possums torn to shreds for nothing. Curious to know what @Toinho @Devil-Dick Willie @Harry think of feral cats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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