Cicero 5,267 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Three members of Potter’s backroom team, including recruitment specialist, set to follow him to Chelsea - talks between Potter and Chelsea this afternoon #cfc https://t.co/FIzr90HLhv — Matt Law (@Matt_Law_DT) September 7, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 More clubs need to move into the direction of the ‘manager’ just being the head coach, with no say in player recruitment or transfers. They get what they are given and make it work. Only truly exceptional managers and a strong rapport with the club that employs them should get that sort of power. That being said, there are few exceptional Directors of Football and general managers as well. Mansgers aren’t supposed to be scouts and salesmen, they are meant to be tacticians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw 28 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I've often seen the case when a coach does well for a lower team but fails when he moves up so if it's Potter they want he'd better think very carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,384 Posted September 7, 2022 Author Administrator Share Posted September 7, 2022 2 hours ago, The Palace Fan said: I think Dan Ashworth deserves a lot of credit for the effectiveness of the overseas recruitment structure. It'll be interesting to see if it's still at efficient in 2+ years time. Or who they get if Potter does go, and if they follow the same pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 296 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 45 minutes ago, Spike said: More clubs need to move into the direction of the ‘manager’ just being the head coach, with no say in player recruitment or transfers. They get what they are given and make it work. Only truly exceptional managers and a strong rapport with the club that employs them should get that sort of power. That being said, there are few exceptional Directors of Football and general managers as well. Mansgers aren’t supposed to be scouts and salesmen, they are meant to be tacticians. a manager needs a say in what type or positions he needs. that's basically Howe's input then its down to scouting and Ashworth to find the best options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reluctant Striker 134 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Stan said: I actually think it's a win-win for Potter. Chelsea are a poisoned chalice, as they've shown with previous managers. Do well, and his stock and reputation increases alongside that success. Go badly, and people will still see he can be a decent manager and he'll walk into a job elsewhere. I must admit, I'm happy to change my mind on Potter. I used to be fairly 'meh' on him, and saw his style as quite possession-based but not that incisive or deadly, as in 'lots of possession, no end product'. That appears to have changed and not just based on Sunday's game where we got obliterated. They appear to be decent at playing different tactics/formations and each player seems well coached. Most said Potter will do well at a club where he has a proper striker - he has that in Havertz/Aubameyang if he does end up at Chelsea... Brighton recruit well - in fact there's plenty (on social media) stating that they have recruited in a similar fashion to how we used to - young, cheaper players that make their name in the PL and perform well, and their price goes up accordingly and in some cases they make huge profit. Or they have a good strategy and structure where they buy players in positions they need and don't get ripped off or pay over the odds. A few examples being: Cucurella - bought for £16m, sold for £60m Bissouma - bought for £15m, sold for £30m Dan Burn - bought for £3m, sold for £14m Leandro Trossard for £14m seems a bargain for how well he does. Gilmour will probably do well for only £10m. No doubt there's probably a few failures, but the club seem to be on an upward curve. Although with Potter potentially leaving, I wonder who they'll get in if he does leave. Brighton would surely be the ones losing most. A difficult club to know who could step in & do what Potter is doing for them. I do think Chelseas new owners will still look to shop at different places than Brighton though. It would be very drastic to step away from the Lukaku, Sterling, Havertz, Kante established names policy. Or even the latest throwing loads at Premier League potential. And that could be just as drastic a change for Potter. So perhaps, to an extent, as far as employability goes, Potter can't really lose. Worst possible outcome for Potter would be to appear like Moyes. But it only takes that little bit of media tarnished reputation, via that 1 big job, before fans of even clubs like Villa, Leicester, Newcastle, etc would be automatically concerned about him being their new manager in 2024/25, or whenever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey 1,192 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I can't say I'm surprised tbh, the new owner has already got rid of Petr Cech and that woman who was running the show (always forget her name). I think that the writing was on the wall for Tuchel months ago really. It's a laughable decision though, won them a Champions League and took them far in domestic competitions. The wheels have fallen off this season, but we're only a handful of games in so there's plenty of time to turn things around. The fact that he was allowed to get to the end of the transfer window, spend upwards of £200m, bring in Aubamayang who he's best mates with to then get sacked six days later is fucking madness. I really like the bloke (Tuchel) too, comes across as someone who really knows his football and someone who would do well pretty much anywhere. He'll no doubt get another job elsewhere in six months time and do well with them, which ironically is probably when Chelsea will be gearing up to sack Potter, Pochettino or who else will be stupid enough to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander 166 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 55 minutes ago, Whiskey said: I can't say I'm surprised tbh, the new owner has already got rid of Petr Cech and that woman who was running the show (always forget her name). I think that the writing was on the wall for Tuchel months ago really. It's a laughable decision though, won them a Champions League and took them far in domestic competitions. The wheels have fallen off this season, but we're only a handful of games in so there's plenty of time to turn things around. The fact that he was allowed to get to the end of the transfer window, spend upwards of £200m, bring in Aubamayang who he's best mates with to then get sacked six days later is fucking madness. I really like the bloke (Tuchel) too, comes across as someone who really knows his football and someone who would do well pretty much anywhere. He'll no doubt get another job elsewhere in six months time and do well with them, which ironically is probably when Chelsea will be gearing up to sack Potter, Pochettino or who else will be stupid enough to go there. I think you mean Marina - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Granovskaia One of the more interesting comments I recently read was about the sacking of Peter Cech who if he had been still at the club would have been the medium between Tuchel and Boehly. He had not been replaced suggesting that post match the two had fallen out catastrophically post match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey 1,192 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Yeah, that's her @Waylander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcanuck 175 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 I understand Chelsea have been struggling to start the season and perhaps Tuchel is as much to blame as anyone, but this seems to bit knee jerkey The new owner looks to be playing fantasy football or football manager. The problem is who are you going to bring in with a better pedigree than Tuchel? Potter is the current flavor of the month, but if you are manage a club as big as Chelsea, you need to have won something as a manager and going from Brighton to Chelsea is like going from the mailroom to the Boardroom. The other name and I believe the favourite is Pochettino, but what success has he had. I don't think the new owners have seriously thought this out . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Redcanuck said: The problem is who are you going to bring in with a better pedigree than Tuchel? Klopp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcanuck 175 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Cicero said: Klopp. If Liverpool has as bad a second half against Napoli as the first half, he may just take the Chelsea job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf 7,161 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 6 hours ago, Cicero said: I'm reading rumors now (no surprise they are coming out now) that Tuchel has a tendency to flip flop on what he wants and gets very frustrated on the matter. To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. Some of the decisions he's made on and off the pitch genuinely confuse me. I was reading an article earlier today that had suggested that Tuchel had fallen foul of Boehlyvich when he was asked to expand his areas of responsibility at the club, According to the article Tuchel was not keen on that and just wanted to manage the team so that was a bit of an issue also Tuchel just outright refused to consider the transfer of Ronaldo and would not be moved on it... Boelyvich obviously wanted a big name summer signing and had everything in place to make it happen but Tuchel didn't want to know or even entertain the idea.. His stubbornness did not go down well by all accounts... Also talk of losing the dressing room when players complained about being played out of position... Sounds like it's been building up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Bluewolf said: I was reading an article earlier today that had suggested that Tuchel had fallen foul of Boehlyvich when he was asked to expand his areas of responsibility at the club, According to the article Tuchel was not keen on that and just wanted to manage the team so that was a bit of an issue also Tuchel just outright refused to consider the transfer of Ronaldo and would not be moved on it... Boelyvich obviously wanted a big name summer signing and had everything in place to make it happen but Tuchel didn't want to know or even entertain the idea.. His stubbornness did not go down well by all accounts... Also talk of losing the dressing room when players complained about being played out of position... Sounds like it's been building up... Unless Potter was deemed from the beginning as this long term option part of this Boehly era, sacking Tuchel now makes zero sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf 7,161 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Cicero said: Klopp. We should go for him, Throw shitloads of money at him so he can't refuse then transfer all the decent players from Liverpool over two seasons and leave them in tatters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Bluewolf said: We should go for him, Throw shitloads of money at him so he can't refuse then transfer all the decent players from Liverpool over two seasons and leave them in tatters... He brings the inhalers, all the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 2 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said: a manager needs a say in what type or positions he needs. that's basically Howe's input then its down to scouting and Ashworth to find the best options. Pretty much my thoughts too. Scouts scout for a reason coaches coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Intersting if true. Quote It’s understood Chelsea are close to appointing a new sporting director with sources even suggesting the new man has had some influence on the move for Graham Potter. (@SamiMokbel81_DM) — Pys (@CFCPys) September 7, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 Apparently Tuchel refusing Ronaldo really pissed off the higher ups, that is the newest rumour, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf 7,161 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 21 minutes ago, Bluewolf said: Tuchel just outright refused to consider the transfer of Ronaldo and would not be moved on it... Boelyvich obviously wanted a big name summer signing and had everything in place to make it happen but Tuchel didn't want to know or even entertain the idea.. His stubbornness did not go down well by all accounts... 6 minutes ago, Spike said: Apparently Tuchel refusing Ronaldo really pissed off the higher ups, that is the newest rumour, Try and keep pace with the rest of us mate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,103 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bluewolf said: Try and keep pace with the rest of us mate... Considering I listen to PiL in 2022 I am quite a few years behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf 7,161 Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 This is an interesting article about Tuchel... Thomas Tuchel 'win' comment may have sealed Chelsea fate as Todd Boehly follows Mourinho trend (msn.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber JoshBRFC+ 1,388 Posted September 7, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted September 7, 2022 Overrated manager. Made out to be something he’s not by the bandwagonners. Good decision from Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,662 Posted September 7, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted September 7, 2022 Got to go for Thomas Frank. The perfect blend of Chelsea's last two managers, might just work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N U F C 171 Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 Looks like it’s going to be Potter. He’s done a brilliant job at Brighton, can remember the uproar when they sacked Chris Hughton but Potter’s taken them to the next level. On paper their squad isn’t that good either. I can see him going well at Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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