UK Politics & Brexit Discussion

[Stan]

25 minutes ago, Danny said:

You would struggle to find a more condescending person anywhere. Massive arsehole

I don't think @Tommy is that bad mate. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RandoEFC+]

39 minutes ago, Danny said:

Starmer pledging to block a referendum for Scottish Independence. I do feel for the Scotland in that one of the key elements of the last referendum was that we'd still be in the EU, can see why they'd want to do it again especially after this mess.

With that said I don't trust Sturgeon one bit and once the opposition of Westminster is taken out of the equation in Scottish politics I don't think Scotland as a country will drastically improve in the way pro-independence politicians make out that it will.

Scotland is a mostly Liberal country yes, but given time they will have their own conservative style governments come in and that will change the political landscape there drastically. Especially considering over 50% of Scots wanted to stay in the Union last time, as we've seen with Brexit it doesn't take long for people to change their mind after drastic change.

I still don't think the Scottish issue should be that difficult for Labour. Even now, with Boris Johnson as Prime Minister, who is absolutely despised in Scotland, support for independence is hovering around 50%. Whenever Labour finally do have another Primer Minister, it really shouldn't be that difficult to go up there and convince 5-10% more people that things will be different enough for them to want to stay in the UK, get the referendum out of the way and put the whole thing to bed. The Tories only strategy for keeping Scotland in the Union is to deny them their referendum which is pathetic. If you can't convince a large part of your country just to not secede, you really don't have the right to call yourself a credible leader. There is loads more the next Tory PM or Labour government could do to improve the relationship with Scotland, they have loads of valid gripes with the South. Just seems nobody has the confidence to say they can do something about it and are just scared of having the referendum at all because they aren't convinced they can win it.

Meanwhile, Tory MPs are now accepting posts in Johnson's weird interim cabinet until Autumn despite the fact that the party is almost unanimously working to get rid of him and install an interim leader before the summer recess two weeks from today. James Cleverly has just become the third different Education Secretary in three days and we might have another one within a week. Just incredible.

[Azeem]

Who is likely to replace Boris? 

[Tommy]

47 minutes ago, Aladdin said:

Who is likely to replace Boris? 

 

[LFCMike]

1 hour ago, Aladdin said:

Who is likely to replace Boris? 

A Cunt

[OrangeKhrush]

seemed inevitable

[MUFC]

3 hours ago, Danny said:

You would struggle to find a more condescending person anywhere. Massive arsehole

 

[CaaC (John)+]

[Waylander]

Have to laugh after Boris survived the Partygate episode commentator Andrew Neill said the Tory plotters had failed, they could not nail him and there were no forseeable chances to try again.

Well that has happened and heard today the BBC claimed to have found the detail on Pincher, interesting they should claim that as there was government talk of reducing their budget.

I was told by an old history teacher that if a leader annoys enough people they eventually gang up and bring down the leader.

Personally think Gove will come through even though not one of the current front runners.

[RandoEFC+]

Johnson nailed himself. And that's the only way it was ever going to end. You could sense back when "PartyGate" started that it was the beginning of the end though. He may arguably have fronted that out, although he still hadn't quite got away from the lying in Parliament bit, but he burned through so much political capital that he was never going to be able to shrug off his fortnightly scandals again and again and go and win another election.

Gove has already ruled himself out of running for leader as have Raab and Hancock.

Suella Braverman's leadership campaign ought to be quite a hysterical spectacle though.

We'll see a lot of people get very excited by a leadership contest but aside from watching the most laughable of Tories who you wouldn't trust to run a bath make a case to run the country, it shouldn't really be enjoyed for its drama. Even terms like "runners and riders" being casually thrown about makes me feel a bit sick because it shows that the commentariat and political class will continue to treat politics like some big game when we need a government and politicians who are actually focused on the betterment of the country and its people, which shouldn't even really need saying out loud. Of course, whoever takes over will be an improvement on Johnson and his removal should be welcomed but they won't be "good". The best we can hope for is that someone who's actually focused on policy instead of the whole woke/culture war scaremongering brand of campaigning so that the next election can be fought on actual policy and governance instead of childish rhetoric and scare tactics.

[Waylander]

An insider today placed a caveat over Gove ruling himself out.

I recall after Cameron walked Andrea Leadsome came forward and after Tory Party discussions they went with Theresa May with Leadsome getting a government position.

Now we have externally caused inflation, unhappy unions, large debt (made much worse by Cov-id) and debt based interest payments, Ukraine situation and N.I political paralysis and the SNP have decided they want another referendum. 

I don't think the competition for party leader will go so smoothly this time as ideologically there are different factions. 

I would be amazed if Johnson still goes to PMQs as that would be a distraction.

Game of thrones strikes again.

 

Edited July 7, 2022 by Waylander

[Dr. Gonzo]

Thank fuck it won't be Gove, Raab, or Hancock. Especially Hancock, that guy's an absolute fucking joke of a human being. Imagine that moron running a country 

[Reluctant Striker]

It really is the most astonishing era of politics I've known of. And I date back to John Major taking over from Margaret Thatcher. And it is all purely on Boris Johnson's character & how his own party, itself renowned for being evasive, deceitful & seeing it all as a bit of laugh.. got rid of him.

Rishi Sunak, Liz Truss or Ben Wallace seem the leading candidates. Of all the options the Conservatives have, despite the no clear obvious candidate talk, from their point of view, they could just appeal enough to floating voters to keep them in at next election.

Gove, Raab & Hancock probably all realise they'd be demolished big time in an election. And the rest of the party likely realise too.

[Bluewolf]

He would be much better than any of them other horrible cunts waiting in the wings... 

[Bluewolf]

[RandoEFC+]

Ben Wallace is such a flavour of the month shout though. Nobody knew who he was before Putin invaded Ukraine and just because he's not said or done anything stupid since being thrust a bit into the limelight, he's apparently a competent leader. Yes it probably makes him better than most of what the Tories have to offer but what does he know about economy, health, education, etc? To be fair, probably still more than the other "big hitters". God they're such a shower of shite.

[Rucksackfranzose]

Genuine question: Now Johnson has resigned, what will Tories do? Will they replace him with somebody, who're going to continue his work in general only less shaken by scandals, or will they be looking for someone altering politics not only in style but also in substance? What do you reckon?  

[Waylander]

People will put their names forward and need eight other recommendations from Tory MPs.

Then some will drop out and support will move to the others and finally a run-off vote.

The final vote goes to the party members.

The winner will be asked to form a government.

Now the next election is about a year away so they need to vote someone who has a reasonable chance of winning and has a program that sells well on the doorstep or risk electoral defeat.

 

 

Edited July 8, 2022 by Waylander

[RandoEFC+]

Starmer cleared of that Beergate thing in Durham today in what comes as just absolutely impeccable timing. 

[RandoEFC+]

Also this:

The fact that a large number of people who are desperate to see Labour back in government don't even think Starmer or the current Labour Party are even that good or appealing just goes to show how absolutely pathetic the current Tory party is.

[Reluctant Striker]

3 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

Genuine question: Now Johnson has resigned, what will Tories do? Will they replace him with somebody, who're going to continue his work in general only less shaken by scandals, or will they be looking for someone altering politics not only in style but also in substance? What do you reckon?  

 

The main difference will likely be style of approach. Whoever is chosen they will surely have a more formal & business like attitude.

Boris was fairly unique. More a used car salesman than a negotiator. He's not really a stereotypical Tory. More a representative of the floater voters perhaps. Something of the Englishman abroad about him.

But the party were elected on their manifesto. And they had ousted all those who did not want to condone any Brexit of any kind. So it's unlikely anyone with significantly different ideas gets elected as leader.

The most interesting bit will be around whether they go with someone seen as close or removed from Boris Johnson.

[Waylander]

The first run-off vote is expected to be Wednesday so suggests nominees will need to be in place by Tuesday.

What happens is some run knowing they won't win yet will offer to stand down on the promise of high office should the person that gets their support win. 

 

[Azeem]

 

[Bluewolf]

There are now 11 candidates that could be running for the leadership of the Tory party... Personally I wouldn't trust a single one.. They are like Medusa's Snakes, cutting the head off means nothing if all the other snakes can still paralyze you.. Patel can fuck off as well, she is downright dangerous.. They have already proven they are all unworthy and can't be trusted after the Johnson debacle.. 

A surprise entry has also been made by Foreign Office minister Rehman Chishti, meaning 11 Conservatives are now fighting to replace Boris Johnson as prime minister.

Writing in the Telegraph newspaper, Ms Truss pledged to "start cutting taxes from day one" with a commitment to reverse April's National Insurance rise.

 

Using the tagline "Trusted to Deliver", Ms Truss said she wants to give people "the opportunity to achieve anything they to achieve" regardless of their background.

Meanwhile, a supporter of Home Secretary Priti Patel said there was a "strong chance" she would put herself forward as well.

Another ally said Ms Patel was still considering her position but added that she had more support than some of the candidates who had already publicly declared.

[Azeem]

Liz Truss will be the next PM, pin this tweet