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Missjem

Toilet breaks during lessons.

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I am a primary school teacher(England, year 6). I don't let children visit the toilet in lesson time. Would that rule bother you as a parent?

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Do you apply the same rule to yourself? 

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2 minutes ago, Batard said:

Do you apply the same rule to yourself? 

If you think teachers can just pop to the loo when they feel like it, you are wrong.

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What if a kid pisses themselves in class having asked to go to the toilet, perhaps more than once?

I think the parent would have the right to go absolutely nuts at that.

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It's never made any sense to me, just let them go to the bloody toilet.

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3 minutes ago, Kitchen Sales said:

What if a kid pisses themselves in class having asked to go to the toilet, perhaps more than once?

I think the parent would have the right to go absolutely nuts at that.

Never had a child wet themselves. They are 10 and 11 and capable of holding it in.

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3 minutes ago, Toony said:

It's never made any sense to me, just let them go to the bloody toilet.

They get breaks, they should use their own time. Lessons are not that long.

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Can't you let someone go during a lull in the lesson?

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1 minute ago, Kitchen Sales said:

Can't you let someone go during a lull in the lesson?

Lessons never last more than 2 hours. Unless they have a medical problem they should be able to control their toilet habits around lesson time.

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I mean, it makes sense that they ensure that they go during the times that they can go.

Although, there was many times were I really needed to go to the toilet which came out of the blue and I wasn't allowed to go which at the time was bullshit. So, it should be a basic human right that if you need to go to the toilet, you're allowed to go to the toilet.

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If you need to go, you need to go, stupid rule and who can control these things its nature if you need a piss or a shit.  Let them go to the toilet! more important things in the world to even worry about this! 

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1 minute ago, Rab said:

I mean, it makes sense that they ensure that they go during the times that they can go.

Although, there was many times were I really needed to go to the toilet which came out of the blue and I wasn't allowed to go which at the time was bullshit. So, it should be a basic human right that if you need to go to the toilet, you're allowed to go to the toilet.

I had one of the mums complain because I made her daughter wait all afternoon. She asked 5 minutes after lunch.

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21 minutes ago, Missjem said:

If you think teachers can just pop to the loo when they feel like it, you are wrong.

True. Badly framed question. I’ll try again. Is it a problem for children to have toilet breaks during class? 

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3 minutes ago, Batard said:

True. Badly framed question. I’ll try again. Is it a problem for children to have toilet breaks during class? 

If you let one go they are all suddenly desperate, I saw it in teacher training. I have been teaching 2 years and always had the same rule.

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What if it gets to a point where children really can't hold it in and there's no medical issue? 

Is it not more logical to let them go as opposed to having to deal with the (literal) mess later? 

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Hmm, we didn't have that issue here. When i needed to go to the bathroom at school i was always allowed to i think. Although i do remember a time where a girl in my class popped her panties (and outside of them) in one of them classes, but i don't think that was because she wasn't allowed to go, she just felt like it, fair to say we never saw her again. xD

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Just now, Stan said:

Yeah, a girl... Sure. 

A.k.a berserker shat his pants in class and missed out on years of education after being banned from all schools 

Yeah cowface, it was a girl. And it was diarrhea if you're interested.

Never, in fact only once i took a dump on a school's bathroom, preferred to wait to get home.

 

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When you have to go, you have to go, holding it for too long can even be harmless, that's a basic need ffs. There will always be kids who try to abuse the system, whether it toilet breaks or something completely unrelated, can't avoid that anyway. Would it bother me as a parent? Well yes, if my hypothetical kid wasn't allowed to go when he/she genuinely needed to, I wouldn't be happy for sure, to put it mildly.

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Seems like an odd rule. I think psyc studies shows that human can only hold intense concentration and focus for about 20 minutes, so maybe a bathroom break may actually help the student as it gives their brain time to rest and process all the information. I know whenever I'm learning a new concept in my job, or another language, I often have to stop, walk, and just let my mind rest otherwise I am just not as sharp.

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I don't think a child who is concentrating on holding their bladder is in the best mindset to learn.

I get that you don't want children abusing their right to go to the toilet, but I think there are intermediate restrictions which can prevent that: maybe they can only go once a lesson, or they have to be back within a certain time. I don't recall any issues with people hiding in the toilets at my primary school, though it was long ago.

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29 minutes ago, Berserker said:

Yeah cowface, it was a girl. And it was diarrhea if you're interested.

Never, in fact only once i took a dump on a school's bathroom, preferred to wait to get home.

 

To be fair so did I - never liked going for shits at school so would try and wait to get home and have the pleasure of sitting on my own throne. 

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I think it's cruel. Have you ever had to hold a piss for an hour? You know what the kid holding his piss isn't doing? He's not paying attention anymore. He's not learning.

He's concentrated on not pissing himself and ruining his social life, while also hating the guts out of you.

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1 hour ago, Storts said:

You're a monster

If they have a note about a medical problem they are allowed to go.

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23 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think it's cruel. Have you ever had to hold a piss for an hour? You know what the kid holding his piss isn't doing? He's not paying attention anymore. He's not learning.

He's concentrated on not pissing himself and ruining his social life, while also hating the guts out of you.

I do remind them to go at break and lunch.

Yes I have held a piss, teachers cannot leave children to pop to the toilet.

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What breaks do they get during the day? At my school they essentially get three breaks. Recess, lunch and crunch n sip (10 min afternoon break to eat fruit or veg). I let students go during lessons if the timing is right and if I know they're not just trying to get out of class. It's easy to tell who is bullshitting you. Ease up I reckon, they're only year 6!

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29 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I think it's cruel. Have you ever had to hold a piss for an hour? You know what the kid holding his piss isn't doing? He's not paying attention anymore. He's not learning.

He's concentrated on not pissing himself and ruining his social life, while also hating the guts out of you.

That is a very good point.. 

I appreciate the general disruption that it could cause while trying to hold a class so understand why you are trying to lay the law down but I think letting them pop to the loo every now and then is not going to disrupt their overall education is it although I do see where you are coming from trying to get them to go during their breaks.. sadly nature is nature and when you need to go you need to go.. 

If it's any consolation to you they don't change when they get older and depending on how old depends on how much worse they actually get.. xD

My lot work in a fairly cold environment and they are always popping off to the loo even if they have just come back from an hours lunch, I might follow your lead and tell them to sod off next time and wait 2 hours for their next break... If I did that I could expect HR to be ringing the phone off it's hook telling me I am breaching a basic human right.. 

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39 minutes ago, Anton said:

What breaks do they get during the day? At my school they essentially get three breaks. Recess, lunch and crunch n sip (10 min afternoon break to eat fruit or veg). I let students go during lessons if the timing is right and if I know they're not just trying to get out of class. It's easy to tell who is bullshitting you. Ease up I reckon, they're only year 6!

School day starts at 9:00 they get a 20 min break 10:30 and then an hour's lunch at 12:10. The day ends at 3:15.

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