UK Politics & Brexit Discussion

[Honey Honey]

13 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

I think the sheer impact on people's bills and living standards has become so pronounced now that they won't be so easily seduced by those headline figures of GDP and such.

As an economics student at A Level and undergraduate it has always frustrated me how people assess political parties on how they handle "the economy". Obviously you want GDP to be increasing, but if the majority of the population isn't feeling the benefit of it in their day to day lives then what good is it? The state of things at the moment though, I don't think many people will be swayed by "GDP this" and "reduced national debt" that or any of those headline figures if their energy bills and mortgages are still through the roof.

 

We are currently in the 2008-10 cycle all over again. A global crisis with local nuance, 2 years out of an election. Brown was able to go into the election with the topline figures improving but the reputational damage of being at the wheel was too much. The same should likely be the case here.

Our two party state seems to only change hands at a major economic impasse. Could be a coincidence but likely not.

A decade of Labour should be coming.

An election now might jeopardise that, whilst Labour would win, inflation, currency value and interest rates are likely going to cause further negative headlines in the coming months regardless of what any government does or does not do. Let that fall at the Tories feet to increase liklihood of a long term Labour government.

[Stan]

45p tax rate abolition u-turn

 

[CaaC (John)+]

Truss and Kwarteng have handed Labour as the next government on a plate at a general election later, or even sooner 

Liz Truss' troubles have left labour buoyant

[RandoEFC+]

I can't keep up

[Azeem]

I keep saying it Liss Truzz

Edited October 3, 2022 by Beelzebub

[6666]

Just get a new job guys.

[RandoEFC+]

Why does nobody ever ask them who's going to do the (often essential) minimum wage jobs if their expectation is for everyone to just move into the careers that pay better?

[Dr. Gonzo]

2 hours ago, 6666 said:

Just get a new job guys.

Out of touch cunt

[Devil-Dick Willie]

About 6-8 years ago our conservative treasurer said something along the lines of "if young people can't afford houses these days it's only because they eat too much avocado on toast" 

 

4 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

Why does nobody ever ask them who's going to do the (often essential) minimum wage jobs if their expectation is for everyone to just move into the careers that pay better?

Well luckily you're in a free trade union that allows foreign labor access to your country to.... wait a minute.    

[Gunnersaurus]

5 hours ago, 6666 said:

Just get a new job guys.

This is the worst kind of conservative. I'm not saying that they are all like that. But there are some. I get really annoyed by people like this. I've worked hard since I was 16 but a series of mental health issues have stopped me from being able to earn a good salary. Then some idiot like that comes out and says that. 

Edited October 3, 2022 by Gunnersaurus

[Gunnersaurus]

I think it has literally come to the point where you can say if you vote conservative you are a cunt 

[Gunnersaurus]

@CaaC (John) @Bluewolf I don't mean this in a piss taking way. Have you guys ever seen a worse British government than what we have at the moment? 

[Gunnersaurus]

1 hour ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

About 6-8 years ago our conservative treasurer said something along the lines of "if young people can't afford houses these days it's only because they eat too much avocado on toast" 

 

Well luckily you're in a free trade union that allows foreign labor access to your country to.... wait a minute.    

We've had similar comments about people with Netflix in this country. Because of course people cant afford mortgages because they spend £60 a year on tv

I'm not one of those back in the good old days kind of person but it seems as if this country has got worse and worse since brexit. And it is linked into that. We had an election which the conservatives won heavily because people wanted it sorted. We have rising prices because of it.

I dont know how much of it is linked to it @nudge help. But  other countries have had 20% rises in energy bills where as in britian it is 200%. 

According to fact checker uk has price rise are not likked to Brexit 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Gunnersaurus

[CaaC (John)+]

15 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said:

@CaaC (John) @Bluewolf I don't mean this in a piss taking way. Have you guys ever seen a worse British government than what we have at the moment? 

Not that I am a Tory voter but Edward Heath & Theresa May springs to mind.

[Gunnersaurus]

5 minutes ago, CaaC (John) said:

Not that I am a Tory voter but Edward Heath & Theresa May springs to mind.

I don't remember Theresa May  fucking the country in 2 weeks 

[CaaC (John)+]

Just now, Gunnersaurus said:

I don't remember Theresa May  fucking the country in 2 weeks 

All I remember of May is that she thought she was another Maggie Thatcher the same as this Liz Truss.

[Gunnersaurus]

5 minutes ago, CaaC (John) said:

All I remember of May is that she thought she was another Maggie Thatcher the same as this Liz Truss.

I don't remember her being like that. Not very competent maybe but I dont remember her being like that. I could be wrong though 

[CaaC (John)+]

4 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said:

I don't remember her being like that. Not very competent maybe but I dont remember her being like that. I could be wrong though 

Oh well, that's just my thoughts, not into politics anyway, they all are a bunch of money-grabbing bastards that own million-pound houses and cars that cost a bomb and fly away on holidays at the expense of the taxpayer. 

[Gunnersaurus]

I think the recent prime minister situation in Britian is a bit like game of thrones. You had Joffrey and you thought there cant be someone worse than that then Ramsey Bolton came along. 

[Waylander]

11 hours ago, CaaC (John) said:

Oh well, that's just my thoughts, not into politics anyway, they all are a bunch of money-grabbing bastards that own million-pound houses and cars that cost a bomb and fly away on holidays at the expense of the taxpayer. 

And across parties send their kids to elite schools.

[Gunnersaurus]

1 hour ago, Waylander said:

And across parties send their kids to elite schools.

Although I'm a labour voter I do think alot of then are still selfish bastards. The only ones I really trust are the green party 

 

[Tommy]

29 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said:

The only ones I really trust are the green party 

 

You can like them, support them, agree with them etc. But I'd never really trust any politician. 

[OrangeKhrush]

I wonder how "conservative" the Tories really are, none of the policies really espoused the betterment of the English people, customs, culture and seemed to be another deepfake on what conservatism really is.   if anything it is just a lesser version of socialist democracy that carries all the same tropes as the very left labour, but hey diversity is our strength is a hill many go to die on.

[Gunnersaurus]

1 hour ago, Tommy said:

You can like them, support them, agree with them etc. But I'd never really trust any politician. 

Well I trust them more than the other politicians. I don't think it is true that you can't trust any politicians though. I'm sure there are some politicians out there who genuinely care about the world and want to make it better. I think when they vote for things that don't benefit them that is a sign they really care. 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Gunnersaurus

[Gunnersaurus]

17 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

I wonder how "conservative" the Tories really are, none of the policies really espoused the betterment of the English people, customs, culture and seemed to be another deepfake on what conservatism really is.   if anything it is just a lesser version of socialist democracy that carries all the same tropes as the very left labour, but hey diversity is our strength is a hill many go to die on.

You are an absolute bellend