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[Fairy In Boots]

2 hours ago, Inverted said:

I'm not saying that middle-class people aren't any use. I'm just saying that the Green approach of trying to save the world without ever leaving the nicer parts of Bristol isn't going to lead anywhere positive.

Labour has a lot of middle-class leadership but also more working-class senior leadership than anybody else, and also the most working-class members - meaning that Labour is the only party which actually involves large numbers of working-class people in designing policy. 

You've got to have a mix of perspectives - even old Karl himself was middle-class 

 

Probably the Brexit party now as the London guardianistas who dominate the Labour Party have basically said “fuck em” to the working class who voted Brexit. 

[Inverted]

1 hour ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Probably the Brexit party now as the London guardianistas who dominate the Labour Party have basically said “fuck em” to the working class who voted Brexit. 

Labour policy has been a constant effort at bridging the gap, as shown by  the fact that firm pro-Brexit types are accusing Labour of being too pro-Remain, and Lib-Dem melts accusing them of being hardcore pro-Brexit.

Edited August 13, 2019 by Inverted

[SirBalon]

59 minutes ago, Inverted said:

Labour policy has been a constant effort at bridging the gap, as shown by  the fact that firm pro-Brexit types are accusing Labour of being too pro-Remain, and Lib-Dem melts accusing them of being hardcore pro-Brexit.

Nobody knows what Labour are and that’s why they’ve been punished by both ends of the spectrum regarding Brexit. It’s quite a simple one to decipher. 

[Fairy In Boots]

5 hours ago, Inverted said:

Labour policy has been a constant effort at bridging the gap, as shown by  the fact that firm pro-Brexit types are accusing Labour of being too pro-Remain, and Lib-Dem melts accusing them of being hardcore pro-Brexit.

 

4 hours ago, SirBalon said:

Nobody knows what Labour are and that’s why they’ve been punished by both ends of the spectrum regarding Brexit. It’s quite a simple one to decipher. 

No they’re now calling for a second referendum which has seen their polling tank. 

Brexit is quite simple, Tory heartlands aka “middle Englanders”and labour heartlands “industrial working class” want it. 

Those who don’t are London, Edinburgh, Bristol, Liverpool, Manchester all the old industrial cities that have been overtaken by university hipster types gathered up huge debts while wasting higher education on needless qualifications they seldom use, who still persist with a perverted idea of socialism and an anti establishment sentiment to nationhood that seems to think we’re incapable of self governing mainly because they themselves are in real life. These are the people that infest our metropolitan areas, these people don’t have high vote turnout and they are the minority although they bleat on like you wouldn’t believe. 

A second referendum would have 3 options to split the leave vote, you know this. That’s not democracy that’s actively subverting it, you’d criticise the Chinese for doing similar in Hong Kong or the Israelis in Palastine.

And you mentioned “Lib Dem melts” as if it’s a sub category of Lib Dem’s it isn’t every single Lib Dem supporter is a melt, a tour de force of snivelling cuntishness. 

The Greens are laughable anyone that votes for them must lack common sense or a subconscious compulsion for self harm, an absolute joke of a party in every aspect. 

[6666]

Out of all the parties, Labour come across as the least full of shit and Corbyn comes across as the least fake and seems to be sticking to his tactic of not playing the game which seems to be extremely unpopular with the media. Hopefully people don't fall for the ridiculous level of smears but that is a big ask as people tend to be idiots.

[6666]

Will be interesting to see how the Hong Kong/China situation ends up. Can only see it with China flexing their muscles even more to a violent level. 

[6666]

12 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

The Greens are laughable anyone that votes for them must lack common sense or a subconscious compulsion for self harm, an absolute joke of a party in every aspect. 

Do you not like Caroline Lucas' idea of an emergency 10 woman super team that will save the day because all women get along and trust each other..? 

Edited August 13, 2019 by 6666

[Inverted]

27 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

 

No they’re now calling for a second referendum which has seen their polling tank. 

Brexit is quite simple, Tory heartlands aka “middle Englanders”and labour heartlands “industrial working class” want it. 

Those who don’t are London, Edinburgh, Bristol, Liverpool, Manchester all the old industrial cities that have been overtaken by university hipster types gathered up huge debts while wasting higher education on needless qualifications they seldom use, who still persist with a perverted idea of socialism and an anti establishment sentiment to nationhood that seems to think we’re incapable of self governing mainly because they themselves are in real life. These are the people that infest our metropolitan areas, these people don’t have high vote turnout and they are the minority although they bleat on like you wouldn’t believe. 

A second referendum would have 3 options to split the leave vote, you know this. That’s not democracy that’s actively subverting it, you’d criticise the Chinese for doing similar in Hong Kong or the Israelis in Palastine.

And you mentioned “Lib Dem melts” as if it’s a sub category of Lib Dem’s it isn’t every single Lib Dem supporter is a melt, a tour de force of snivelling cuntishness. 

The Greens are laughable anyone that votes for them must lack common sense or a subconscious compulsion for self harm, an absolute joke of a party in every aspect. 

Your explanation of the psychology of Remain and Leave totally ignores how sharply Scotland-England leads to different outcomes in opinion. In Scotland every social, ethnic, and age demographic is anti-Brexit, not just Bourgeois paradises like Edinburgh. 

You've got your economically disadvantaged post-industrial Glasgow, your wee oil-and-gas haven Aberdeen, bland grey council-estate shitholes in the middle of nowhere across the central belt, and your arch-Tory borderlands.

More than economic circumstance, the driving force of Brexit is a psychological need to make some symbolic gesture of autonomy - we've went in the last 100 years has went from global hegemony to being one of several powerful but not dominating forces in the world. 

For Scotland, in which people have come to identify more as Scottish than British, it's an easy transition to make psychologically. Scottishness as a backup identity to Britishness means there's no difficulty in going from the mindset of world power, to the mindset of being one nation among many similarly-influential peers. Scottish people actually want to be thought of as a peer to similar countries like Ireland, Norway, etc. 

For England, there is no backup identity. Englishness has always been basically interchangeable with Britishness, and British people have never thought of themselves as one of a group of nations. We were always either different and mostly uninterested in getting involved, like in the 18th century, or superior and able to dictate the terms of our relations, like in the 19th and early 20th Century. 

The last 70-80 years has basically been the only period in our history when we've been forced to work-out how to live in a world where we have to cooperate with lots of countries on an equal footing, and several who are far superior to us. We've done an alright job of it. Some horrendous blunders, sure, but we got ourselves a pretty cushty position. We were closely connected with our closest equals and natural allies in Europe, whilst also operating in a privileged position of reduced commitment. We had a good relationship with the greatest military power in history, without being too exposed to any negative economic or legal influences from them. 

Sadly, the skills needed to gain this position - multi-lateral cooperation, and relations-management with a superior power - are disgusting to the pre-1945 British mindset, which has survived long past its day in the British cultural fabric.

People in their 50s in Britain think as if they personally fought in WW2. Much of our senior journalistic establishment still hasn't seriously come to terms with Ireland being a separate country. People live in a Bridge Too Far, Dads Army wonderland where we don't need to admit Suez ever happened. 

We've never developed the maturity needed to exist in a world in which we aren't special. We think we can go bargain with America as a fellow great-power like it's 1920, when it's 2019 and they just look at us as another helpless vassal. 

We think we can create a special relationship with our ex colonies like Canada or India, when to them we are just one of the several larger European countries trying to set up our stall. 

We think we register a significant partner/opponent to China, when to them we are barely more significant than a country like the Netherlands or Poland. 

Nobody has ever sat the British public down and explained this to them. And so, when we hit a period of slowing growth and growing poverty, it became all-too easy to blame our problems on our failure to exercise our huge influence properly - rather than consider the real, internal causes of our problems.

Delusions of national grandeur are a great opiate for the poor, and a great shield for the rich. 

 

And by the way when I said "Lib Dem melts" I actually did mean to say that I consider all Lib-Dems to be melts. 

[IgnisExcubitor]

 

 

Funniest and  strangest thing I have come across in a while. 

Edited August 14, 2019 by IgnisExcubitor

[Dr. Gonzo]

6 cops shot in Philadelphia 

[Azeem]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/northern-ireland-troubles-violence-police-bomb-dissident-no-deal-brexit-a9075286.html?amp

Troubles rising in Northern Ireland 

[Bluewolf]

Another mass shooting on the motorway in Texas... at least 20 dead so far

https://metro.co.uk/2019/08/31/texas-shooters-open-fire-on-busy-motorway-leaving-20-injured-10664554/

[Dr. Gonzo]

Mugabe is dead

[Blueprince]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Mugabe is dead

May he rot in hell

[MUFC]

On 06/09/2019 at 20:17, Dr. Gonzo said:

Mugabe is dead

Rose to the top quickly, power crazy, substance over style, a beast. Taken out by Hagler.

RIP

[UNORTHODOX]

Huge search after mysterious ‘glowing object’ falls from sky over Plymouth

 

Police launched a huge search for debris after neighbours reported a mysterious ‘glowing object’ falling from the sky over Plymouth.

Devon and Cornwall Police deployed two helicopters to search moorland outside the city after the bizarre sightings.

The force was inundated with calls at around 6am from spooked residents who described seeing a bright object ‘break in half’.

Initially it was feared the object may have been a light aircraft involved in a crash, with helicopters searching Dartmoor areas around Yelverton, Cadover Bridge, Tavistock and Princetown for downed planes.

Police now believe it was related to a ‘meteor shower’ over Devon.

 

always shit myself when shit like this happens.

[Teso dos Bichos]

San Francisco is far down my list of places I want to visit, especially now that one of the main problems is handling all the human waste of all the homeless liberals. 

[Mel81x+]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49791249

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Thomas Cook has collapsed after last-minute negotiations aimed at saving the 178-year-old holiday firm failed.

The UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said the tour operator has "ceased trading with immediate effect".

It has also triggered the biggest ever peacetime repatriation aimed at bringing more than 150,000 British holidaymakers home.

Peter Fankhauser, Thomas Cook's chief executive, said the firm's collapse was a "matter of profound regret".

Commenting as the company entered compulsory liquidation, Mr Fankhauser also apologised to the firm's "millions of customers, and thousands of employees"

 

[Stan]

5 hours ago, Mel81x said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49791249

 

This is annoying me in the way it's being reported - whilst I get it's proper shit for holiday-makers to have to make alternative arrangements in the short-term, there's thousands of other people who are now left without a job and unable to pay mortgages/bills etc. That for me is more severe than tourists being stranded somewhere.

[Mel81x+]

30 minutes ago, Stan said:

This is annoying me in the way it's being reported - whilst I get it's proper shit for holiday-makers to have to make alternative arrangements in the short-term, there's thousands of other people who are now left without a job and unable to pay mortgages/bills etc. That for me is more severe than tourists being stranded somewhere.

Think its also expected that there will be fallout for employees of the company but you're right, people losing their jobs and not having a way to make ends meet is way worse than people having to sort their travel plans out.

[Dr. Gonzo]

13 hours ago, Stan said:

This is annoying me in the way it's being reported - whilst I get it's proper shit for holiday-makers to have to make alternative arrangements in the short-term, there's thousands of other people who are now left without a job and unable to pay mortgages/bills etc. That for me is more severe than tourists being stranded somewhere.

Yeah this whole “woe to the people who still used Thomas Cook, even though it was well overpriced and anyone who knows how to use the internet could have booked their own holiday and not had to deal with Thomas Cook” shite is a bit ridiculous. The internet killed off Thomas Cook for a reason, if you were still using it... that’s more money than sense you had and I do not sympathise with you at all. 

Its shit for the people who lost their jobs though 

[Dr. Gonzo]

Similar to Thomas Cook - German airline Condor has asked the German government for an emergency loan to survive

[Rucksackfranzose]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Similar to Thomas Cook - German airline Condor has asked the German government for an emergency loan to survive

Condor's case is not only similar but also attached to Thomas Cook, as the former is owned by the later.

Edited September 25, 2019 by Rucksackfranzose

[nudge]

Jacques Chirac has passed away at 86. 

RIP.

[Teso dos Bichos]

 

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