Dave Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 "Hello, Jupp, it's us again…." After four games without a win, including a shock 3-0 home defeat at the weekend, there has been talk about a "crisis" at Bayern Munich. So what's gone wrong? And is new head coach Niko Kovac at fault? Or are there deeper issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted October 10, 2018 Moderator Share Posted October 10, 2018 They don't play very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Blue Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Going to win the title by the end of the season. Just like they did in the past six seasons. However i'd like Dortmund to win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted October 10, 2018 Administrator Share Posted October 10, 2018 Older, ageing players not being replaced wisely. How long do they keep on relying on the likes of Robben, Ribery etc? Even players like Martinez, Lewandowski, Boateng, Neuer are getting on a bit - I think all of them are 30+? Regardless, it's good for the league if they're a bit weaker. Break up the monopoly of Bayern Munich winning it with ease. It's getting a bit boring up to now. Just hope the other clubs can seize this opportunity while their opponent is weak... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Sure they'll dominate again at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted October 10, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted October 10, 2018 Yes, an aging squad that hasn't been rejuvenated properly, injuries, new coach that doesn't necessarily command the same respect as his predecessors and likely has problems with keeping egos in check. That said, Bayern often have a somewhat weak start of the season so it's not necessarily going to last long. I hope it does though, and hopefully other clubs can capitalise on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relling Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Bayern have been in a steady decline for quite a few years now. It was disguised a bit by the fact that the league was so weak last year. The BVB side that came second in the 15/16 season could I have taken the title if it had time traveled. Also it helps that the other teams smell blood, and understand that playing Bayern is a chance for a famous win, not just a visit to the dentist. The next few rounds might be vital. Especially the game at Dortmund in November. Before that they have to travel to Mainz and Wolfsburg, which can be though places to go if you are not ready for a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMG Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 They need Jose Mourinho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted October 10, 2018 Administrator Share Posted October 10, 2018 35 minutes ago, AMG said: They need Jose Mourinho. no-one needs him these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Two factors (important ones) are the basis of the decomposition of Bayern's competitiveness... Undervaluing Pep Guardiola and his ongoing work at the time of his tenure at Bayern. Overvaluing ageing football icons and in some cases players that had been overrated anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panna King Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 It showed in the World cup, the Bayern Munich players really struggled, even against Ajax, the team looked so unfit and struggled to deal with the young players of Ajax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Viva la FCB+ Posted October 10, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted October 10, 2018 Honestly the squad just isnt good enough. They've done a great job at bringing in some players, especially in the middle of the park. Yet they continue to expect Robbery to play until their 40 and start important matches. Coman was a great get but the poor guy can never stay healthy. Now fast forward to this season you have 3 critical injuries to start the season after an off season of selling off a handful of your quality squad players. Injuries are not why the team has played poorly but the squad construction right out of the gate was poor. The attitude in the locker room seems to be off, this summer and start to the season was full of FC hollywood stories of old and the on field product doesnt look cohesive at all. Apparently only Guardiola or Don Jupp can keep these players in line. Because of that their should have been a bigger squad shakeup this summer, the whole Boateng debacle should have been delt with differently and Robbery should have not been extended again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithcore Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Hopefully other clubs can capitalise on that. That said, Bayern often have a somewhat weak start of the season so it's not necessarily going to last long. I think Niko Kovac doesn't necessarily command the same respect as his predecessors and likely has problems with keeping egos in check. Next to that they had some injuries and an aging squad that hasn't been rejuvenated properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 If you think Kovac and Lopetegui will get sacked before mourinho clap your hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Viva la FCB+ Posted October 10, 2018 Subscriber Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Faithcore said: Hopefully other clubs can capitalise on that. That said, Bayern often have a somewhat weak start of the season so it's not necessarily going to last long. I think Niko Kovac doesn't necessarily command the same respect as his predecessors and likely has problems with keeping egos in check. Next to that they had some injuries and an aging squad that hasn't been rejuvenated properly. You are a real gem, never change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 9 hours ago, SirBalon said: Two factors (important ones) are the basis of the decomposition of Bayern's competitiveness... Undervaluing Pep Guardiola and his ongoing work at the time of his tenure at Bayern. Overvaluing ageing football icons and in some cases players that had been overrated anyhow. Guardiola is the single biggest factor in their decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Guardiola is the single biggest factor in their decline. Go on then, start the ball rolling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Guardiola cemented Bayern's position as perennial league winner, and subsequent managers have struggled to keep up those standards. Not to mention he gave Bayern their Lahm replacement for less than 15 million Euros. Any sensible Bayern fan would kill to have Guardiola back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Bayern were comortably the best team in the world. Finishing 2nd in all competitions and 1st in all competitions the 2 seasons before baldy came in. guardiola came in, made the football clearly and measurably worse, got worse results, bar in the league, where they had no competition, leaned heavily on old cunts in attacking positions made the worlds best full back a mediocre midfielder for no reason, ruined muller then ran off without ever even looking like they were going to win the CL, branding himself a success. Of course, Balon and inverted would lick the shit off peps cock after he ripped it out of their mums arse. So of course he is still a shining golden god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Bayern were comortably the best team in the world. Finishing 2nd in all competitions and 1st in all competitions the 2 seasons before baldy came in. guardiola came in, made the football clearly and measurably worse, got worse results, bar in the league, where they had no competition, leaned heavily on old cunts in attacking positions made the worlds best full back a mediocre midfielder for no reason, ruined muller then ran off without ever even looking like they were going to win the CL, branding himself a success. Of course, Balon and inverted would lick the shit off peps cock after he ripped it out of their mums arse. So of course he is still a shining golden god Pep's not a god, but he did good work with Bayern. Bringing in players like Thiago, Coman, Kimmich, etc. put Bayern on the right track to move on from the ageing players from Jupp's team. Not to mention Thomas Muller had one of his best ever seasons under Pep. The issue was that the club brought in a completely different manager because they thought Carlo could magically win the CL, and he was then unlucky too. Not getting another CL win was disappointing but when you look at those 6 matches that knocked them out of the CL, they were slightly unlucky. Seems stupid to me to judge three years on a handful of games. Why not judge Jupp on his bottle jobs against Dortmund, Chelsea and Frankfurt, if that's the attitude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 13:16, Inverted said: Pep's not a god, but he did good work with Bayern. Bringing in players like Thiago, Coman, Kimmich, etc. put Bayern on the right track to move on from the ageing players from Jupp's team. Not to mention Thomas Muller had one of his best ever seasons under Pep. The issue was that the club brought in a completely different manager because they thought Carlo could magically win the CL, and he was then unlucky too. Not getting another CL win was disappointing but when you look at those 6 matches that knocked them out of the CL, they were slightly unlucky. Seems stupid to me to judge three years on a handful of games. Why not judge Jupp on his bottle jobs against Dortmund, Chelsea and Frankfurt, if that's the attitude? Guardiola was clearly and explecitely signed to win the CL, he didn´t deliver it, so he has to be labeled as a failure at Bayern, although I don´t share Devil-Dicks opinion that his tenure was the biggest component of their issues this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 Wenger for Bayern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Well Wenger does speak perfect German so it’s a perfectly understandable appointment if it occurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 03:17, Inverted said: Guardiola cemented Bayern's position as perennial league winner, and subsequent managers have struggled to keep up those standards. Not to mention he gave Bayern their Lahm replacement for less than 15 million Euros. Any sensible Bayern fan would kill to have Guardiola back. Haven't Bayern been perennial league winners for a very long time, with only the odd random title challenger to sometimes pip them to it? I feel like they've always been by far the best German side for the entirety of my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchalkeUK Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Bayern and the National Team - a reluctance to accept that great or even good players do actually get old sometime and lack of chances to give the kids time to settle in to do what they really can do. Bayern, Germany and 04 - all the same but with 04 without a brain to lead them out of the crisis Bayern will resolve it and Germany might need Tedesco to really ruin things for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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