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Ravanelli - I'd Score 60 A Season Nowadays, Defenders Are Shite

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‘I don’t want to be pretentious, but I scored 34 goals for Juventus in the 1995-96 season and then 31 the next season with Middlesbrough. Nowadays, I’d score 60 goals a season, 50 for sure.
‘Once upon a time, it was difficult to score a goal. Now it’s easy. The great defenders are finished. There are no more Nestas, Maldinis or Stams. In every game you have five or six chances. It used to be one or two, maximum three.’

‘This is sure. Not just me but Gianfranco Zola, Eric Cantona, Teddy Sheringham, we’d all score more these days,' he says.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4739740/Fabrizio-Ravanelli-d-score-60-goals-season-nowadays.html

Is he right?

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I agree there's no 'great' defenders like Nesta/Maldini/Stam etc. The hardmen of football. Most defenders can play with the ball now as opposed to using their head. They're a bit more fancy as opposed to rugged and steely.

He wouldn't score 50+ though. No way.

EDIT: regards to the great defenders - in relation to my first sentence I'll amend that to say they're a dying breed. Chiellini is probably one of the last of those ilk. Vidic was as well but not sure if he's even still playing. 

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He's spot on about the defenders, but as Stan touched on, it's a different style now. Would he score 50/60? Probably not but then again he did get 31 for an average Boro side.

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First of all, systems of play are different now. Secondly, because systems are different, defenders have to be different...  Defenders actually have to know how to play football because otherwise they get raped.

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There aren't as many great individual defenders, but teams are far more organised. 

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I think a great individual defender these days has more to his game than tree trunk defenders of the past that didn't know what to do with the ball at their feet.  These days defenders have to be footballers.

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Messi, Ronaldo and Zlatan kept hitting double figures, he's right, defending ain't what it used to be :ay:

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1 hour ago, robosys said:

Messi, Ronaldo and Zlatan kept hitting double figures, he's right, defending ain't what it used to be :ay:

Maradona went past 10 players in Mexico WC86. There weren't too many doing that then if any at that level. Was also raping hardline Italian defenders in one of Italy's most defensive eras.

Di Stéfano and Puskas scored a hat-trick each in the 1960 European Cup Final (Champions League for those born after football became professional :ph34r:)

Hugo Sánchez was scoring double figures for Real Madrid when defenders were at their most tree trunkish.

Gunnar Nordhal's record of 35 goals in one Serie A season for Milan stood for 66 years until Higuaín broke it last season for Napoli.

Dixie Dean for Everton scored 60 goals in 1928 when defenders were allowed to stab people on the pitch.

I could actually go on with this but I've suddenly got bored. 

Special players do special things in any era. Ravanelli was just average and he's bitter. 

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1 hour ago, SirBalon said:

Maradona went past 10 players in Mexico WC86. There weren't too many doing that then if any at that level. Was also raping hardline Italian defenders in one of Italy's most defensive eras.

Di Stéfano and Puskas scored a hat-trick each in the 1960 European Cup Final (Champions League for those born after football became professional :ph34r:)

Hugo Sánchez was scoring double figures for Real Madrid when defenders were at their most tree trunkish.

Gunnar Nordhal's record of 35 goals in one Serie A season for Milan stood for 66 years until Higuaín broke it last season for Napoli.

Dixie Dean for Everton scored 60 goals in 1928 when defenders were allowed to stab people on the pitch.

I could actually go on with this but I've suddenly got bored. 

Special players do special things in any era. Ravanelli was just average and he's bitter. 

I was gonna say those are anomalies but you already pointed that out, no matter how solid an era is, there's bound to be anomalies but right now, defending sucks more.

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15 minutes ago, robosys said:

I was gonna say those are anomalies but you already pointed that out, no matter how solid an era is, there's bound to be anomalies but right now, defending sucks more.

There are anomalies...  Those anomalies are called "great players" and they do great things.

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@SirBalon Offside rule was quite different in some of the eras  especially the 20s wasn't it?

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1 minute ago, Azeem98 said:

@SirBalon Offside rule was quite different in some of the eras  especially the 20s wasn't it?

Yeah... It didn't exist a long time ago as also bookings didn't exist, hence defenders being able to cripple anyone attacking their goal. 

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15 hours ago, SirBalon said:

I think a great individual defender these days has more to his game than tree trunk defenders of the past that didn't know what to do with the ball at their feet.  These days defenders have to be footballers.

This. The game is continuously evolving. If you don't have defenders who are just as good on the ball as they are at defending, you are going backwards. 

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20 minutes ago, Azeem98 said:

@SirBalon Offside rule was quite different in some of the eras  especially the 20s wasn't it?

Imagine scrapping the offside rule now, damn... Barcelona and Madrid should score nothing less than 5 goals per match!

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20 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

Yeah... It didn't exist a long time ago as also bookings didn't exist, hence defenders being able to cripple anyone attacking their goal. 

I read that in the late 20s offside rule was changed this lead to an increased amount of goals scored 

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He's right but the main reason is that the game is virtually a non-contact sport these days. I'd love to see Messi and Ronaldo try and score 20 goals in 1980s/1990s Serie A, let alone 50

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1 minute ago, Salford Kel said:

He's right but the main reason is that the game is virtually a non-contact sport these days. I'd love to see Messi and Ronaldo try and score 20 goals in 1980s/1990s Serie A, let alone 50

Yep - Ronaldo going up against Materazzi in his prime, followed by a match against Nesta, Stam, Maldini, would have forced CR to take a few weeks off to recover from 3-4 different injuries. 

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8 minutes ago, Eco said:

Yep - Ronaldo going up against Materazzi in his prime, followed by a match against Nesta, Stam, Maldini, would have forced CR to take a few weeks off to recover from 3-4 different injuries. 

The Brazilian Ronaldo could do it :x 

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Personally think it’s bollocks to suggest that certain footballers from the 90’s weren’t cultured enough to have anything else in their lockers but tackling or kicking an opponent and that certain current players wouldn’t be able to cut it because of alleged inefficiencies within their game.  

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On 29/07/2017 at 12:19, Stan said:

Vidic was as well but not sure if he's even still playing. 

Aye, retired but he was one of the best and a dying breed nowadays. 

Vidić joined Serie A club Internazionale on a free transfer. Vidić mainly featured as a rotational player for two seasons, eventually agreeing to an early termination of his contract on January 18, 2016, as a result of inactivity due to a hernia injury. Vidić then announced his retirement just under two weeks later, on January 29.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemanja_Vidić

Gone are the days of really hard men like Liverpool's Tommy Smith, Dave McKay, Jimmy Case etc but years ago you could chop a player down like 'Chopper' Harris would and the ref would signal play on or slam into a goalkeeper who had the ball in his hands and knock him into the back of the net and a goal was given, not like that anymore, touch a player with your finger and he will swan dive and roll around in agony as if hit by a bus and the ref will either send the other player off or hand out a yellow card.

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On 01/08/2017 at 16:04, robosys said:

Imagine scrapping the offside rule now, damn... Barcelona and Madrid should score nothing less than 5 goals per match!

The 2 would also ship in a lot more goals too due to the horrendous defences xD

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Sometimes I feel it's easy to say that defenders are shite nowadays because we don't think we'll remember the likes of Godin, Van Dijk and prime Bonucci. Football has become all about profile, something I have harped on about for ages. Defenders no longer win Ballon D'or and it's not because defending is bad, or even that attacking is too good. Bonucci for me was the best player in 2017 with only Ronaldo being able to make a case and he didn't even get in the top 3.

I feel we have some really good defenders these days. Sure it's not up to par with the invidualities of the past, but there are some really good players now that we'll remember once their careers are done. Not only that but I feel the best defenders are under-the-radar. Everyone talks about Thiago Silva, Raphael Varane and Jerome Boateng, all 3 which are overrated to me. Diego Godin, Virgil Van Dijk and I'd even rank Pepe up there as the best CB's for me. With Godin and Pepe I'll remember them well as they are some of the best I've seen. Van Dijk if he keeps this up for 2 or 3 more years, or wins a major trophy at Liverpool he will also be ranked among there.

Not to mention, tactics have evolved so much and this makes objectively average defenders look so much better than some of the players from the past. Covers, defensive midfield support, etc. These things are so important to the discussion as it really tells you that some of these players may not have the biggest talent, but have the intelligence and tactical discipline to be considered the best.

And that's not even touching the fullback situation!

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Athletes, in any sport, love to downplay how good a modern generation is and talk about their generation was so much better. Honestly, I've no idea what they get out of things like this. Strikes of jealousy more than anything else.

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I'm surprised he never mentioned Shearer. He would bag an absolute hatful. Very few world class defenders in our league he would probably score more but I ain't sure he would score 50. 40 to 45 would have been more realistic. I like watching Atletico as with them you still get proper defending Godin is superb to watch Oblak a too keeper as well. 

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