LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, SirBalon said: Most players to get the best out of them you have to include them in a system that brings out the best in them, especially with attacking players. Take for example that three front man at Barça with Messi, Suárez and Neymar, would you say all three are world class? They are, obviously and at the same time Barcelona have had to compromise many things to play all three of them. Many games where points were dropped was to do with playing all three but who's the brave coach that's gonna bench one of those! Bale and Robben are world class at going forward but have lagoons in other factors of their game where you then have to have other players in the team doing extra work to cover their deficiencies. I've got to disagree about Bale being world class mate I'm sorry. He's all power and pace without a real footballing brain and he's not the most tactically astute either. Plus (as you've said) the defensive part of his game is non-existent. What is he now, 28 years old? And he's probably had what, 2-3 stand out seasons in his career? That to me isn't a world class player. If he was then Real wouldn't be so happy to see him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 €27m for krychowiak apparently what PSG want. Should be all over that instead of bloody Drinkwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon 2,692 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Teso dos Bichos said: fuck bale, pay monaco what they're asking for fabinho. Man Utd are like most elite clubs, they don't only sign players for what they will provide. They sign them also for marketing purposes and Bale provides a million times more than Fabinho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,106 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Bale has never been world-class. Robben, especially post-2012 walks circles around him. Don't get me wrong, Bale is elite but nothing close to world-class, that isn't a term I just through around for those that are hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas 3,828 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 All this talk about Bale but what actually defines a player as World Class though? Someone who is the best in the world in their position? Someone who has won a load of titles? Or is World Class a 'title' given at the end of your career when there's more to judge a player on? Maybe World Class players are players that are universally agreed on amongst everyone like your Pele's, Maradona's, Cruyff's, Zidane's, Ronaldo's and Messi's. If there is too much argument amongst people, is that enough doubt to say this player isn't world class? My personal opinion is Bale is in the top bracket of players currently playing right now. And he deserves to be in that bracket for what he's demonstrated the past four/five years. But I probably wouldn't hold him in the same regard as those names I mentioned above. Those guys for me were different gravy and tend to be in most people's all time XI sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted August 8, 2017 Author Share Posted August 8, 2017 People saying Bale is world class or elite, have you actually seen him this past 1-2 years? Nothing spectacular in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcanuck 175 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 The term World Class gets thrown around far to much in my opinion. Now days any player who has had a run of great play is considered World Class, even if it is only for one season or even less than a season Bale when fit is a great player and should help any team if he is played in the right position and he suits the system they play. However, he proberly would not make many people's World Eleven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,406 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 49 minutes ago, Teso dos Bichos said: zidane world class? yeah his CL stats and losing five straight european finals back that up What year were you born? Watching Zidane in the late nineties and early naughties he was something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SirBalon 2,692 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 Chelsea (at the request of Antonio Conte) have put even more pressure on the possible signing of the young Barcelona midfielder, Sergi Roberto. It's now a trio fight between Man Utd, Chelsea and Juve for the multi functional youngster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,106 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 I do like Zidane but I also feel he is very overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted 1,776 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 I think Zidane is one of the greatest ever, but Paul Lambert did pocket him in a CL final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,209 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 On the Bale argument, I think he's one of those that you'd throw in the "what could have been" category. Whether you see him as world class or not, his move to Real Madrid should have seen him become one of the top 5 attacking players in the world judging by the progression he made at Spurs, but injuries have destroyed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,197 Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 55 minutes ago, Teso dos Bichos said: played for very good teams that were good even w/o him,flashy goals here and there, and was lucky to have one of the best WC defences that was the main reason for the WC trophy. he was good at getting red carded, ill give him that but i find it hilarious that some people have him top 15 of all-time, ffs zidane is not even the best french player of all time. him being a legend has to be the biggest myth. Lol. Did you ever watch him play in his prime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,406 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 There is no way you saw him play. It's like saying Ronaldo wasn't a world class striker because when he wasn't injured he was surrounded by some great Brazilian players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted August 9, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted August 9, 2017 We're supposed to be signing George Hirst from Sheffield Wednesday. Very highly rated young forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 3 hours ago, SirBalon said: Chelsea (at the request of Antonio Conte) have put even more pressure on the possible signing of the young Barcelona midfielder, Sergi Roberto. It's now a trio fight between Man Utd, Chelsea and Juve for the multi functional youngster. Just pay Barca what ever. We need numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas 3,828 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Zidane overrated is up there with one of the worst things I've ever read on here or TFF, and that include's all the shite ever spouted out by Halewood, Weird World, Voice of Reason or wednesday4life. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,310 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 5 hours ago, Teso dos Bichos said: Zidane registered 13 goals in 79 games, none more celebrated than his stunning volley in the 2002 final against Bayer Leverkusen. Only once did he score more than one in a match: hitting two in a 3-3 draw at AEK Athens in 2002. CL stats: He ended with a record of 39 wins, 24 draws, 16 losses, 13 goals and one title. a fucking myth Judging him by the amount of goals he scored is probably where you're going wrong. He was a creator that controlled the tempo of the game. That's not a player you judge by goal stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK85 267 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 8 hours ago, Dan said: We're supposed to be signing George Hirst from Sheffield Wednesday. Very highly rated young forward. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,209 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Andre Gray off to Watford for just shy of £12m apparently...less than Scott Hogan that 😂 One year on his contract obviously why, but we'll earn a bit from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,310 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Danny said: Andre Gray off to Watford for just shy of £12m apparently...less than Scott Hogan that 😂 One year on his contract obviously why, but we'll earn a bit from it. Andre Gray's fee being reported as being £18.5m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 Linked with Joao Cancelo of Valencia. Mind boggling how we are still after RWB's when Alonso remains to be our only natural left side player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, Cicero said: Linked with Joao Cancelo of Valencia. Mind boggling how we are still after RWB's when Alonso remains to be our only natural left side player. Conte losing the plot? He doesn't seem a happy chappie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: Conte losing the plot? He doesn't seem a happy chappie. He's set some unrealistic targets, like Kane, Walker, and Sandro. But I can get behind his frustration for the fact our squad is so depleted. He didn't even want to get rid of Matic by the sound of things, and our board completely fucked him over on that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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